I think Fox News sometimes tries really hard to be of use to the American public, but that urge, once realized, is quickly woven into partisan propaganda. Liberal Viewer brings to light what the ALCU is doing against the unlawful surveillance of its citizenry.
As a Canadian, I realize we are just a couple of months behind the legislative cycle, thus this sort of Big Brother stuff is slated for Canada as well.
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January 7, 2013 at 10:21 am
Reneta Scian
I also think you’d like to read this piece by Laura Hollis about this last election. It highlights to me, why conservatives in America are so detached from the issues, and how the seem to need no evidence for their claims. Her views rank up their in malodorous with those of Anne Coulter, though not quite a virulent. This educated women actually uses some derogatory thought processes about other women. And as the post implies she is a religious conservative, because apparently secular freedom for all is “an attack on the church”. I got this little gem in a chain-mail from my parents. But it represents some of the stuff you blog about, and also speaks directly to a lot of the ways in which conservatives bias their representation of laws that are supported “for our security”. So I found her article to be especially hallow considering actual evidence. But it just highlights more conservative delusion, and bias by conservatives in media and elsewhere. Just food for thought. It’s a little old, both the article and the arguments with no support for them.
http://townhall.com/columnists/laurahollis/2012/11/08/postmortem
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January 7, 2013 at 8:06 pm
VR Kaine
Under Bush the wiretapping was necessary, under Obama it’s invasion of privacy? Or is it a misdirect by trying to make the issue that Obama’s somehow now being hypocritical? I’m confused. :)
The America I saw over 12 years ago is not the America I see now. No sense of what freedom is or should be, and suffering a bit of an “identity crisis”, I think. It’s unfortunate.
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January 8, 2013 at 10:57 pm
The Arbourist
*?* – I disagree. :)
Care to expand on what you mean about the change in freedom? I’m curious Vern.
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January 8, 2013 at 11:07 pm
The Arbourist
@Reneta
Wow, that was a horrible link. The amount that it is just wrong makes the neurons in my brain want to fuse together and explode.
As far as guides on how to do it wrong are concerned, it is a brilliant article; along with how to sound embattled and whinge about not winning… all at the same time.
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January 9, 2013 at 12:21 am
Reneta Scian
That was exactly what I thought, upon reading. Yeah, it’s a horrible link. It’s often an MRA excuse to back up their vindictive anti-woman stance. It’s really sad how may people are deluded by that frame of thought?
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January 9, 2013 at 7:21 am
VR Kaine
@ Arb,
My comment about the wiretapping being necessary vs. invasion of privacy was a sarcastic one. I hope that came across. I meant “necessary” in quotes, attacking Fox’s spin on it.
Re: my comment on the “change in freedom”, what I meant there was that when I first moved to the US (and moved to the South) I don’t think anyone i had met at that time would have been OK with any wiretapping of Americans whatsoever and certainly not OK with targeting and killing of American citizens by its own military. On these issues, this is where I happen to agree with people on the left such as Glenn Greenwald who ironically seem to side more with the US Constitution than many on the right when discussing the protection of our right to life and liberty.
I’ve seen many cases where apathy has perhaps been mistaken for freedom, where zero government control has been mistaken for freedom, and where debt has been mistaken for freedom. All three things have come back to bite the US in the ass really hard, showing that what many thought was “freedom” isn’t actually freedom at all. Credit cards aren’t freedom, letting big banks and insurance companies do what they want isn’t freedom, removing all government oversight isn’t freedom, and on the other hand letting government do what they want while your back is turned isn’t freedom, either.
Who cares who we’re indebted to or dependent on: government, big business, or some other country? It’s a lack of freedom in any case. I think America was so bent on not letting government have power that they didn’t seem to pay attention who they handed that power over to. Either way, government and big business have the freedom in America, not the people, and that’s what I mean by “change in freedom”.
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January 9, 2013 at 12:07 pm
The Arbourist
@Vern
Great comment Vern, not just because I agree with it, but because it is right.
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January 9, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Reneta Scian
I’d have to second that, Vern. Very well said. The credit system is the reason for the degree of inflation that makes purchasing power dramatically decreased unless you can get credit (the solution is the problem). It puts people who want nothing to do with credit into the position of trying to obtain credit. In my opinion, it’s the “Great Mistake of the New Deal”, and other measures put in place to prevent the Great Depression. And that is that they didn’t also abolish credit. Credit systems make the lives of the lowest 25% just that much harder. That’s all it does, and I am speaking first hand here.
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January 9, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Rob F
Considering that people here are discussing credit, I’d like to draw you attention to this column, which in part discusses studies from the IMF showing that economic inequality leads to looser credit rules, and as people use credit and increase debt so as to compensate for their stagnant economic position (compared to the wealthiest), this increases the vulnerability of the economy as a whole to instability and the like.
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January 10, 2013 at 2:00 pm
VR Kaine
Thanks for the steer, Rob – enjoyed the article and interesting that it comes from the IMF. Thanks to Renata and Arb for the feedback on my comment, too.
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January 10, 2013 at 4:39 pm
bleatmop
“I think America was so bent on not letting government have power that they didn’t seem to pay attention who they handed that power over to.”
Very wise words. Power, no matter who it lays with with always be troublesome. Especially so when there are no checks or balances on said power.
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January 10, 2013 at 4:45 pm
bleatmop
@Reneta Well put. I’ve always wanted nothing to do with credit, but to function in this society one must obtain credit to function. Want a car? Credit. Want a house? Credit. Want to buy something on the internet? Credit.
What has credit done for us? It’s inflated the demand and thus the price of cars and houses and consumer good. Now they are impossible to buy without credit to the average person. No more can Ford follow its own model of paying its workers enough money to buy the product they make. Hell, Burger King employees can’t even afford to eat at the restaurant they work at on their days off.
Anyway, well done with that comment. It was spot on.
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January 10, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Reneta Scian
Thanks Bleatmop. I live the one of the realities which this kind of economic, and power system reaps. In the US, disability provides (even if you contractually earned a pension) is well below economic “water lines”, if not often times even more inadequate. If I weren’t a pack-rat from my “better days” of economics I’d have pretty close to nothing. My mom always told me to get rid of stuff. I never did… MUAHAHA!~ Look who was right this time… Anyhow, I am considered 70% disabled, most likely more as soon as my new re-eval is done. I mean, it’s better than nothing, but between my budget, the cost of living here, and other necessities it doesn’t leave me much.
I try not to scoff at it, but too often it’s seen as being a favor, or that the disabled or otherwise should be “happy they get anything at all” (that good old “I’ve got mine, go fuck yourself” mentality) rather than the responsibility of a morally sound, and civil government. And I am one of the lucky ones in these regards, being a veteran and a retiree (military). Some in the media complain about “people like me” draining the economy, without even thinking twice about the profit margins being higher when we are all doing worse. None of them have every even tried to qualify for SSI, supplemental income, much less do they know how stringent they are, or how chintzy they can be. I’ve known people who were wheel chair bound, and hat to fight tooth and nail to get it. I have also seen people who don’t deserve it, get it. The system is really unbalanced, big time.
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January 10, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Reneta Scian
Also, as a final thought on credit. If your disabled and are low income (which tend to go together) you pretty much can’t get credit without using high risk loans that have ridiculous interest rates, and really low loan values. Basically, payday loans where you get 200 and pay back nearly 400 over the course of 6 months. Loan sharks didn’t go out of business, they just became legal. Thank you, Wall Street! Remind me to give you a swift kick in the ass next time I see one of you.
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January 10, 2013 at 7:14 pm
VR Kaine
@bleatmop,
Thank you. Power’s supposed to come with wisdom, and for the most part that used to come fairly naturally through hard work and patience, I believe. (Sow now, reap later sort of thing.)
However, now we live in too instant of a society where “power” can be achieved overnight without any widsom at all (in fact, full stupidity!) Example w/ credit, I can literally get 5 new credit card offers in the mail over the weekend and on Monday have $25k to go to damage with – even if I was unemployed!
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