Pithy definitions for us today folks. :)
Sooooooo… I need someone to tell me how morality springs from said book again, I seem to have forgotten how that works, given the source material.
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23 comments
May 8, 2016 at 4:46 am
roughseasinthemed
Been offline. Missed loads.
Anyway. Pithy reply. Morality is all about Teh Menz.
Next question?
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May 8, 2016 at 6:19 am
Carmen
Now Arb, you know full well that the bits you’ve outlined above will not be read to kids on Sundays. . . ;)
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May 8, 2016 at 7:09 am
Steve Ruis
The moral system is simple: you invent Hell, a euphemism for eternal torture, and then condemn everyone to that torture for actions of their remote ancestors unless they toe their moral line. The moral line is quite ambiguous but, still, no one gets to opt out of the game. Be moral or roast forever in a lake of fire.
Seems to be working, look how well-behaved Christians are.
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May 8, 2016 at 7:11 am
Steve Ruis
Oh, I forgot to mention. Children aren’t allowed to read the Bible, being a known pathway to atheism. They are instead fed Disneyfied versions of “Bible Stories” like the ones written by Jack Chick.
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May 8, 2016 at 7:42 am
The Arbourist
@RSitM
Welcome back to the splendid digital vista of the internet. :) Sadly, I agree that, a great deal of the morality we have revolves around regulating the behaviour of women and keeping them properly in ‘check’.
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May 8, 2016 at 7:44 am
The Arbourist
@Carmen
I would teach those bits to the kids. :)
It is a disservice not to know about them. Coming out of Sunday school without knowledge of what one’s ‘guide to life’ is setting children up for several rude awakenings.
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May 8, 2016 at 7:47 am
The Arbourist
@Steve Ruis
Errr… :) Perhaps its just another excuse to hate people not like them, I mean if one can accept talking snakes, then what sorts of ill thought out foolishness will follow.
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May 8, 2016 at 8:01 am
john zande
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May 8, 2016 at 8:05 am
Carmen
Well, John, there is THAT. . . :)
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May 8, 2016 at 8:14 am
The Arbourist
@Carmen and JZ
Now that’s awkward..:)
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May 8, 2016 at 8:37 am
Carmen
Well. .yes, it must have been. :)
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May 8, 2016 at 9:27 am
N℮üґ☼N☮☂℮ṧ
Happy Motherfucker’s Day.
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May 8, 2016 at 2:43 pm
Sha'Tara
I guess it depends on whose morality… and they forgot to add slavery, the worst recorded incidence of attempted speciecide (the flood), genocide, nuclear devastation (Sodom and Gomorah) and a constant throughout: misogyny. It’s a great teaching book if what you want is exactly what you got from organized religion. And that was/is what the goal is.
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May 8, 2016 at 4:13 pm
bleatmop
@Carmen – I don’t know what church you went to but the one I did certainly did get taught those parts. I remember having to memorize the ten plagues of Egypt including god murdering the firstborn of every Egyptian. Tell me that isn’t terrifying to an eight year old. It’s even worse when I asked my sunday school instructor if someone’s firstborn would have been born mere days before god’s punishment that surely they would have been spared to find out no, god murdered those babies too.
I’m sure many of the happy clappy churches don’t teach this stuff and prefer to pretend it doesn’t exist but there are many churches that do.
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May 8, 2016 at 4:49 pm
Francois Tremblay
It’s very simple: God is good, therefore whatever God says is good. And we know God is good because he (because it has a penis or something) says it’s good, and whatever God says is good, and we know this because I feel a warmth in my heart whenever I go to church, and the Holy Spirit has inspired ME with the ONE TRUE INTERPRETATION of the Bible. Any questions? ;)
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May 8, 2016 at 6:02 pm
Sha'Tara
We’re all right because we say we are, and if we say we are it must be true. [The ape chant: Rudyard Kipling]
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May 8, 2016 at 6:16 pm
Carmen
Bleatmop, I was being facetious; I know that there are children scared witless by stories of Hell – which I consider emotional abuse. It’s horrid.
Poor you. I mean that. :(
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May 9, 2016 at 3:14 pm
bleatmop
@Carmen – Fair enough. I guess Poe’s Law was in full effect there. The upside to those horrid sunday school lessons is that they have led me to the life I lead now; one without religions or gods or any of the baggage that come with those things. Though I sometimes do wonder about those that sat side by side with me in those lessons and are still with that church, even leaders of it now. What did they learn from sunday school?
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May 9, 2016 at 3:19 pm
Carmen
They’re the ones scared shitless to leave, bleatmop. More’s the pity. :(
I don’t know how many blogs you read and interact with believers, but their fear is palpable in their comments. They truly believe there is a hell awaiting them. It’s in the voices of new ‘deconverts’, too. It’s a mental screw-over. I feel for them.
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May 9, 2016 at 4:27 pm
bleatmop
Carmen – I can’t recall ever going to a blog to talk to believers. Quite the opposite really, as I was the one to seek out non-believers and read what they had to say. I do have sympathy for those who fear hell though. It is what kept me paying lip service for as long as I did, the fear of eternal punishment. I find that once you take that leap into not believing in god, it takes much longer to not believe in the devil and hell. It’s quite the carrot and stick system christianity has going on there.
You seem like a person who has great empathy for deconverts and those who have had the abuses of christianity foisted upon them. Thank you for the empathy you’ve shown me. I wonder what your story is like?
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May 9, 2016 at 4:39 pm
Carmen
I do feel complete empathy for those who have deconverted; mine was much less painful (I always referred to myself as a ‘churchgoer’, not a christian – those seemed to me to be people who behaved themselves a lot better than I ever did; they seemed to be more characters) and until I started reading blogs about 3 years ago, I had no idea the degree to which people immersed themselves in faith. The thing that has resonated with me, however, is the idea that these are very GOOD people and ones who really thought they were doing the very best they could in their . . .supplication(?). . .their devout, heartfelt subjugation. . .I hear it in the voices of those who still believe. Then, of course, I read the anger and hurt that people feel when they realize they’ve been duped. That really bothers me.
When I first started reading these types of blogs, I was looking for an answer to this question – is it religion that does this to people? or is it the people themselves? I’m still searching for the answer . . .
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May 9, 2016 at 4:40 pm
Carmen
That should have said, “They seemed to HAVE more character”
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May 9, 2016 at 8:11 pm
Sha'Tara
Obviously “Earthians” as a species highly susceptible to brainwashing and easily sucked into superstitious beliefs. Many believers get trapped into something like Pascal’s wager (the argument that it is in one’s own best interest to behave as if God exists, since the possibility of eternal punishment in hell outweighs any advantage of believing otherwise.) and put up with the lies, corruption and obvious double-standard expressed in all religious performance. The only way possible to eliminate the hypocrisy in belief is to have no religion.
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