It’s Hard to Be A Man During the Age of #MeToo…

All it takes is the accusation. That’s the reality.

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“Moving up a few notches” and getting rid of due process are not synonyms, Arb. The cost for this ‘moving up’ harms everyone and undermines our most basic legal rights. Everyone’s. It is an atrocious development and many careers have already been ruined thanks to the widespread excuse that women somehow ‘need’ this exemption and can cast accusations and know these are sufficient. Just look at the author Galloway and the atrocious destruction of his career by invertebrate people who then have the audacity to support the vilification of Atwood, for crying out loud, daring to suggest that discarding due process is not a solution but has an even chance of creating new victims. Trudeau, by his own idiotic support of this SJW bullshit should resign because he’s been accused. Case closed. No jury needed. That’s what he did to others in his party. And really, who cares what’s true when justice is on the line, am I right?

I think we should listen to big brained people and grasp the explanations for their criticisms (of this kind of vindictive travesty and collusion by cowards to facilitate it) in order to establish their independent merit. And Atwood’s point has nothing but legitimate merit. There has to be a better way.

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If you’re going to quote me, then get the quote right, please. And it’s ridiculous to claim that a case like Galloway’s simply doesn’t happen when in fact it most assuredly does. That’s the reality, that the accusation is sufficient to ruin some people’s careers – that’s why Ontario now has a Ford rather than a Brown as Premier – when other cowards act on the accusation alone as if were true because the accusation is made.

My point that you haven’t addressed but tried to run over with this gish gallop of yours is that getting rid of due process in law is not a solution but a shortcut you’re willing to endorse in some cases apparently but presumably not in others, yet ignore and/or dismiss the very real danger not just to some men falsely accused but to women once due process itself is no longer required but pre-empted according to some level of social media support for the alleged victim.

Due process in law is important for everyone. But this is just a typical danger that so many ideologues of the Left and Right dismiss in their single-minded pursuit of furthering some specific partisan goal… in this case to assume the testimony of a woman trumps due process in these cases but not those.

Come on, you can think better than this.

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My issue isn’t about treating women well or poorly as you are trying to portray; it’s about using this issue of victimhood to undermine a classical liberal value all of us share – males and females – of due process in law.

You state, “If you’re approaching women in a way that makes them feel uncomfortable or unsafe, then YOU need to change your behaviour, instead of whining about how some men are now facing consequences for serial harassment and assault.”

My issue is with the ASSUMPTION you make: that an accusation alone IS sufficient to demonstrate harassment and assault as if real, as if true. No amount of hand waving about care and concern for women alters the dominance in your mind for this assumption to be more important than what is actually true. The accusation should not be impeded by due process to find out what IS true. That’s why you are an ideologue. By sticking with the rationalized framework where an accusation is sufficient to have the power to be true regardless if it is, you honestly don’t care about and sacrifice as trivial what’s true.

I am saying that accusation is NOT sufficient. So you frame that to mean I must be biased against women and unconcerned about harassment and assault carried out against them or I would go along to get along. That, too, is unmitigated bullshit because it does not represent what is true; it represents more of your own presumptions, your own false equivalency. You seem to disagree with the reality of actual victims created by accusations alone. That IS PoMo ideology in action, Arb. You think pointing out how acting on this assumption in real life and destroying innocent people’s careers in real life by accusation alone – people who very well might treat women in ways that do not make them feel uncomfortable or unsafe and the number of examples is growing – is simply “whining”, simply a patriarchal excuse for anti-woman business as usual, that you’re justified with this fascist action because you’ve got to break some eggs to make an omelette and so some real victims from false accusations are acceptable because of the number of victims of harassment and assault (as if empowering accusations alone will stop harassment and assaults), that there must be some male victims to start to even the score and that that’s the reasonable cost to help more women potentially feel more comfortable or safe. Yes, due process stands in the way, so therefore due process itself must be patriarchal and so it must be part of the problem.

That’s the bullshit you’re peddling with this rationalized ideological framework of preset victims and vicitimizers, where it levels the playing field to make ‘vicitimizers’ victims and is okay. The scope of this bullshit will not be revealed to you until you are accused of harassing a female student. Only then will the Great Awakening occur that you have nothing to defend you – including what’s true – because you’ve already given away due process in your zeal to appear to be concerned about the safety and comfort level of real people in real life when you’re not… you are only concerned about the accuser being empowered enough to harm others. You do not care if the accusations are true or not. I’m saying that will come back to bite you. That’s the attack on due process – your own due process – that you support, that you’ve already framed as part of the patriarchy and so dismiss out of hand whether or not due process might be valuable for all of us. The civil rights you SHARE with women is not patriarchal, Arb; that’s your bullshit ideology reframing the real world and taking you down the drain with it. But listening to it and framing basic classical liberal values as if they are patriarchal is a problem because you are excusing doing this actual harm to real people in real life in the name of supporting and protecting presumed victims. Making victims protects victims. That’s your broken PoMo ideology in action and you’re doing it. You have not just equated your presumption to be equivalent to what’s true but superior to what is actually true, and that when what is actually true is to take a back seat to your Post Modern framing of the world into victimizers and victims, then you’ve gone one step too far and trodden on the rights of everyone. You are trying to impose your ideology on everyone in your zeal to appear to be a warrior seeking social justice by undermining the central pillar of justice itself: due process.

You need to revisit your broken thinking on this because this IS the path to totalitarianism, dismantling individual rights in law one step at a time while lying to yourself the entire time.

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Thanks for this comment, Arb. Q.E.D.

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Why is due process being raised? Because that is what is being discarded and many invertebrate idiots in positions of authority are okay with that compared to the fear they have of the Mob, the social media enablers, that accusation alone is enough for them to then justifiably act upon as if true, and so what if people’s lives and careers are being destroyed by acting on these accusations alone without due process?

That’s why the lack of due process actually matters, lovetruthcourage. In fact, it’s rather important. It’s not a Straw Man whatsoever when all it takes is some accusation alone and then this is used as a justification for further actions to be taken. This lack of due process will matter to you when an accusation is used to dismantle and destroy YOUR reputation, YOUR life, YOUR career, YOUR family. Suddenly YOU will understand why due process actually matters.

There are hundreds and hundreds of such cases now with no end in sight. And criticizing this execrable social media method and those who participate in it rather than defend it and its ongoing purpose to harm real people in real life is what a reasonable and mature and honest citizen should support. By going along with this mob mentality fosters its power by making nothing more than false allegations – sometimes just the threat of making a false allegation – sufficient. That is a capitulation of a central value in our society, namely, due process and the shared expectation that accusations have be treated with doubt first a foremost (presumed innocence) until the preponderance of evidence indicates otherwise. By not upholding this value, people are undermining our civil rights. What makes this method even more disgusting are the vast number of stupid shortsighted vindictive people willing to go along with it, seeing these victims of accusation alone as a natural byproduct of a movement that is a Good Thing by fiat, that this real harm done to real people is being waved away as simply the cost of doing business to empower women. High time!

This is utter bullshit. It is dangerous bullshit. It is totalitarian bullshit.

Sell that bullshit to my female friend with two female children whose husband – a public school teacher – was falsely accused and the lies maliciously spread by a vindictive child on social media. Of course, the Toronto Board went into full ‘response’ mode. Within days, the family’s car was vandalized, the house vandalized, the girls pulled out of school where they were being bullied and attacked by ongoing accusations and questions of what it’s like living with a sexual predator. The mother was laid off her Board related contract work because her husband’s ‘reputation’ was affecting business of her employer (guilt by association) and his Rate My Teacher page was filled with negative and vicious comments calling for his death and dismemberment.

This is all okay in the name of empowering women, am I right? After all, the guy MIGHT be guilty. Case closed. Oh, but surely innocence can be ‘proven’ after a prolonged court case… that guilty until proven innocent isn’t a fucking reversal of our Constitutional right but a necessary change to help ‘protect’ and ’empower’ women. Bullshit.

A week later he was found floating in the lake. The coroner ruled he probably slipped on the rocks and hit his head before slipping into the water.

The girl who made the accusation recanted in full when a month later the details of her story were shown to be made up. But by then, who cares? Who goes back to fix the record? The damage is already done.

But who cares? Not Arb. After all, it’s high time some of these bastards start to get what they deserve, am I right?

All sound and fury? Due process is a Straw Man?

Sorry people. You need to wake the fuck up.

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Many, starting with diversity officers at universities school boards and all the SJWs going on archaeological offense digital digs to smear people and harm reputations. They staff Human Rights Tribunals. They write government Human Rights policies and procedures. They implement them. They are the invertebrate administrators kowtowing to social media pressure to act rather than stand by evidence of wrongdoing. They are spinners in media who will not report the facts but tailor them to fit the ideology of victim and vicitimizer. They are the ones carrying out this ideological war by assaulting by any means necessary everything that stands in the way of imposing the social justice ideology on everyone through law and so ‘they’ are the ones – anyone – who advocate for do so, who try to undermine free speech, who try to shout down those who say stuff they don’t want to hear, who try to demand action without due process, who demand ‘victims’ be granted privilege over the ‘victimizers’. They are legion and they are fascists whether they know it or not.

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It’s the lack of due process you describe that is the point,LTC. There is an accusation, action taken in response to it, and it’s then left to the victim to either do nothing (must be a sign of guilt!) or take it to court, to ‘prove’ their innocence usually by means of a libel suit. Notice the onus here: it’s on the accused. That defense from what might be and often are groundless accusations once investigated takes a lot of money and a lot of time and a lot of effort. Not by the accuser. By the accused. How does one prove one is not a rapist or turn a previous consensual sexual relationship into being consensual against a specific allegation within it? But in the meantime, and this is my criticism, the accused has already taken a significant hit against a reputation, almost always suspended if not lost his or her job outright (yes, it works against both sexes), is already assumed to be guilty by those ideologically committed to always believing the accuser if a woman, is already vilified in the press and on social media because the assumption is that the person must be guilt or no one would be ‘brave enough’ to level the accusation, and so anyone who disagrees with this witch hunt – people like Margret Atwood, for example – is also attacked and vilified for daring to defend the ‘guilty’. No trial. No evidence. Hearsay. Accusation alone. Sure, someday the accusation might be shown to be untrue but by then who cares? By then due process and its results has already been relegated to some afterthought.

Whatever this is, my point is that without due process it is not justice and should be criticized by everyone.

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