The Canadian Navy is silly.
The questionable purchase of four submarines from the British in 1998 is still haunting our humble navy.
“In the year 2010 alone, the Canadian navy spent $45 million on repairs to HMCS Windsor. It had budgeted to spend just $17 million, the documents show.
It appears that every system on the British-built submarine has major problems, according to the documents, including bad welds in the hull, broken torpedo tubes, a faulty rudder and tiles on the side of the sub that continually fall off.”
One would think that if, when buying a new vehicle, one would check to see if you could actually steer it. Apparently a radical notion back in the heady 1990’s.
There is an upside, the birds seem to looooove our submarines!
“Because the submarine has been in drydock in Halifax for so long, it has become a bird sanctuary. The navy spent thousands of dollars just trying to keep the pigeons from roosting in the vessel.”
Imagine the changing of the submarine guard with all the regal and pomp of any important military, tourists flock to see the changing of the pigeon patrol and the handing over of the air horns and .22’s. If this regal spectacle is not on your eastern Canadian trip itinerary you are missing out. “But what about the torpedoes Arb?” says my gentle readership. I’m getting there, be patient the stage needs to be set to fully appreciate the magnitude of how far the Canadian navy is willing to piss up this particular rope.
“The country’s stock of second-hand submarines – already beleaguered with repairs and upgrades — is incapable of firing the MK-48 torpedoes they currently own.
When Canada purchased its current fleet of four submarines from Britain in 1998, they were fitted for British torpedoes. At the time, Canada was heavily invested with the modern MK-48 torpedo system and did not want to abandon it.
Like any shopper trying to justify a second-hand purchase in the face of an obstacle, they figured it was still a good deal. They “Canadianized” the submarines, but, 13 year later, they still haven’t got around to the “weaponization” part.
“The Canadian Forces has always intended for the Victoria Class submarines to carry and fire the Mark 48 torpedo,” wrote Denise LaViolette, the director of navy public affairs, in an email. “Initial weapons certification will be progressed early in 2012 in HMCS Victoria for Pacific operations followed that year by HMCS Windsor for Atlantic operations.”
It is like buying a car without a windshield for highway driving. The splatty-stingy bug impacts of common sense have no effect on our heroic Navy highway-driver, damn the windscreen we need to upgrade the tires! No torpedoes AND submarines that regularly catch on fire, sounds like a good idea upgrade them further:
“In late March, Canadians discovered their government has been cross-border window shopping for 36 “Torpedo Conversion Kits” when the U.S. Defense Security Cooperation Agency issued a release. These kits come with spare parts and logistical support to upgrade the current stock of MK-48 torpedoes from Mod 4 to Mod 7. The estimated cost is $125 million, but the sale hasn’t been completed yet.”
While our benevolent conservative government pleads poverty and belt tightening they spend like drunken sailors on torpedoes we can’t fire on submarines that are better suited to be bird sanctuaries than actual naval vessels.





9 comments
April 9, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Bleatmop
Why we ever bought these submarines when there are shipyards in Newfoundland just begging for work is beyond me. I’m thinking the British salesperson probably had some incriminating pictures of Chretien or something. Why else would he betray the work-starved people of Newfoundland like that?
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April 9, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Vern R. Kaine
I could be mistaken, but I seem to recall that it was a combination of the government allocating a ridiculously low amount for the subs in the first place and bumbling bureaucracy taking care of the rest. It’s easy to imagine people saying, “Why build new when we can by used ones from our allies and save the taxpayers money?” at the time. These are the likely the same people who keep wanting to “fix” 50-year old jets and fly Sea King helicopters for another 50, but still. Either way, it’s an embarrassment for Canada’s military no matter who’s to blame.
As for incriminating pictures of Chretien, who knows, but it’s a sickening thought! :)
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April 10, 2011 at 7:50 am
Janice in Toronto
The situation really appeals to my somewhat warped sense of humour. Only in Canada would one almost -expect- to find submarines that don’t have armaments.
They could surface near a target and pummel it with timbits!
I love living in Canada… It’s a never ending source of amusement.
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April 10, 2011 at 11:22 am
The Arbourist
And if that fails, a sternly worded letter would most definitely be in order! :)
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April 10, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Alan Scott
The Arbourist ,
I am guessing that you used the following comment to blast only the present Government and not your whole nation ?
“While our benevolent conservative government pleads poverty and belt tightening they spend like drunken sailors on torpedoes we can’t fire on submarines that are better suited to be bird sanctuaries than actual naval vessels. ”
So tell me which political party was in power when the submarines were bought ?
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April 11, 2011 at 8:38 am
Vern R. Kaine
Haha! I was thinking a Yosemite Sam cannon by the supposed state of the technology, but Timbits are even better!
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April 11, 2011 at 8:45 am
Vern R. Kaine
Mr. Scott,
I’m guessing you know it was the Liberal Party of Canada, but not sure if you’re aware that by most accounts ALL the parties in Canada are quite “Liberal” when compared to the U.S..
Cronyism was just as rampant in the Chretien era as it was in the Mulroney era, but I think it’s lessened significantly with the Conservatives now that Harper’s been in. Of course, however, the Liberals miss the Benevolent Dictatorship they had so that’s why they keep ignoring the vote of the people and have tried to have new elections every year since then.
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April 11, 2011 at 4:33 pm
The Arbourist
The Liberal decision to buy rusty subs = stupid.
Not scrapping said subs by the Conservatives = more stupid.
Buying upgrades for torpedoes said rusty subs cannot use = most stupid.
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April 11, 2011 at 4:37 pm
The Arbourist
Cronyism was just as rampant in the Chretien era as it was in the Mulroney era, but I think it’s lessened significantly with the Conservatives […]
Lol. You are funny Vern. The vaunted conservative ‘accounability’ was washed away with the waters of the fake lake, fraudulent electioneering, and oh…the contempt of Parliament thing.
keep ignoring the vote of the people
More people voted for other parties than the conservatives. Please note that conservatives are currently trying to make a bugbear out of a coalition government, ergo one that represents a majority of Canadians. Just for the record.
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