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I’m following the Meghan Murphy Twitter-ban debacle and one of the places where I landed was the Quillette.  As it turns out, Megan Murphy has written a piece describing what happened to her and her struggle with the totalitarian ideology of transactivism.  I liked what MM wrote, but I found the comment section more interesting as the user base seems to self describe itself as the ‘rational middle’.  I worry when I see phrases like that because often they end up in the barren hellscape known as American Libertarianism.  *shudder*

Now there was some back and forth in the comment section,  but generally the tone was, “well this is what feminism has wrought and it’s bastard child has come home to roost”.  I’m not sure how the fight for female liberation begat the current state of trans-insanity, but for many commentors the two movements are intrinsically linked.

A couple of radical feminists made an appearance, one I suspect is a dude sponsored sock, as the claiming to be a rad-fem and then conforming almost exactly to the male approved stereotype of what a rad-fem is, just cannot be real.

A second rad-fem entered the debate and this is her comment:

 

“I enjoy how afraid you are of losing your job for telling jokes. I also enjoy how thoroughly you & other men take on this specific tone—have you noticed yet? It’s the “rational” tone. Literally every male commenter has used it thus far. Men can be rational about women’s issues as they experience almost no part of them. What you’re really saying when you cry about the change in feminism is that women don’t worship the ground you walk on anymore, & this has had repercussions for your ego & your sense of place (ie perceived significance) in the world.

I, for one, don’t really enjoy self-application of the title “man-hating”… feels very corny to me. What I do enjoy is speaking with women who are enlightened to the fact that they, unlike their mothers, do not have to settle for second best, settle for a man who disrespects her, hurts her, abuses her.

I think it’s telling that you’re so afraid of a world where men are not the main axis of women’s orbit. What exactly are you scared of? That women will make men walk on all fours with studded leashes around their necks? Get a grip dude. There is nothing women could do to men that is worse than men have done to women. With 90% of all violent crimes committed by men, your son has a greater chance of getting murdered by a man than getting falsely accused of sexual assault at the workplace.

Ultimately, the weird, fantastical fears you harbor are just excuses. Justifications for choosing to sit back & whine about what feminism has apparently “done” to men, when despite feminism’s very best efforts, men continue to harass, assault, abuse, rape, mutilate, & kill women. What you’re afraid of is change. Not feminists. At least own up it.”

Of course, none of the centrist rationalists have responded.  Funny that, when confronted with someone knowledgeable who is quite willing to charitably engage the response is crickets.

Tanya correctly observes the near thematic use of the “rational tone” and how problematic it is trying to deal with people who, calibre of intellect notwithstanding, don’t get the fact that the societal experience for men and women is quite drastically different.

I’ll finish with the thread now, but I thought it would be good to share some perspectives from the ‘rational middle’.

Good to see that Twitter has its shit in order… (aka the War on Women Continues)

Watch as a member of the NDP patiently mansplains female genital mutilation to a woman who, like her mother, was subjected to said trauma. This is a bad look NDP, as one would hope we would leave the material science denial (climate-change) to the Conservatives. Entitled males know jack-shit about what it is like growing up and being socialized in today’s patriarchal world. Because they self identify as one does not change an iota. (Well actually it does as the current misogynistic trans-poltic has gathered a fair amount of steam fighting for the rights of males to further define female reality.)

We can all appreciate a good highly personal subjective personal identity.  However, there should be no obligation or pressure to validate said identity, especially when doing so has deleterious results for an entire class of people in society.  Look what happens when words don’t have meanings

 

“Toward the end of the lengthy and tense meeting convened to discuss her role on the Commission, Julia Beck stated with clarity what had become patently obvious in the foregoing discussion:

I think everyone’s heart is set. I think what we’re doing here is postulating. I’m trying my best, people, but we all understand words to mean different things, and that’s not really conducive to the purpose of our committee, which is to advise the Mayor and other city agencies on laws and policies. If we don’t agree on the meanings of words, we cannot do the work…. I could bring out a dictionary and prove to you that a lesbian is a female homosexual, or a woman is a female human, but if your beliefs disallow you from seeing the dictionary definition as a legitimate definition… then why would we have a diversity of thought… if there’s only one thought acceptable?

I could talk about this all day, and I would love to, because it affects my life. When we cannot define woman, women’s liberation is moot. When women cannot define themselves as female adult humans, there is no way for us to organize as female adult humans. If lesbians cannot define themselves as female homosexuals, if male people can call themselves lesbians, then the women’s movement and lesbian liberation is destroyed, it’s obliterated.

As the Commission was established it seeks to include a diversity of people and experiences and ideas, and that’s why I’m here. I’m here to represent lesbians. [But] when lesbians are forced to include male people with penises, it destroys lesbianism, and we might as well call it a “GTBQ Commission.”

The more you look at this, the more it is clearly the same old patriarchy telling women how to behave in society and to shut up when their lives are on the line.

 

 

Jane Clare Jones is amazing.  This is from her annotation of a discussion presented on BBC 4’s Woman Hour:

Sally Hines, Professor of Sociology and Gender Identities at the University of Leeds, and our very own Kathleen Stock, Professor of Philosophy at the University of Sussex, very ably adjudicated by Jane Garvey.

 

[SH]…y’know, and we’ve seen this before, it’s very very dangerous, we’ve seen this before in feminism, in relation to the position of Black women, and in relation to the position of working class women, y’know, I think we absolutely as feminists have got to move away from a politics which is based around perceptions of realness, and that white, cis women such as myself, such as Kathleen, have got to give up some privilege here…

[JCJ] Let’s unpack some intersectionality burble then shall we Sally? First, the imputation that Black women and working-class women are a subset of women whose womanhood is ‘less real’ that white women’s womanhood is bullshit, and politically motivated and offensive bullshit. There have always been and remain tensions within feminism along race and class lines, and there probably will always be, because these intersections are massively important political and social differences that cut though the body of women. We will, I hope, always continue to wrestle with these issues, to give them space, and to endeavour to work with them in order to best articulate our shared interests as women, and to allow for the expression of our differences. As I have said before, it is not easy, and it shouldn’t be. None of this translates into an idea that Black women or working-class women are somehow not women, and Crenshaw never intended intersectionality to be used to fracture the class of female people in order to include male people. The fact that Black females are female does not mean that male people are female, and you really need to stop and have a long hard look at yourself and what the fuck you’re saying. Frankly, this makes my blood boil. And I know from listening to many Black women that they find it enraging – both because their womanhood is being undermined, and they’re being used as a political prop in an argument, and maybe even more so, because it’s being done with a veneer of woke anti-racism, while being fucking racist, and the women doing it won’t listen to them when they call it out.

Secondly, can you imagine anything more white and middle class and privileged than thinking you can avoid sex-based oppression by identifying out of it? What kind of life have you lived, that you respond to a well-grounded observation about the distribution of care-work (let alone femicide, or poverty, or lack of education, or FGM, or forced marriage, or sexual slavery, or any other of the number of sex-based violences that disproportionately affect women with less economic and racial power, or from cultures with more rigid patriarchal practices than our own), and turn around, and say that you are fighting for the interests of working class and women of colour by denying the analysis of the basis of their exploitation????? This whole towering pile of bullshit is precisely an artefact of privilege. Walk into any Gender Studies class in the country if you have any doubts. Over to Kathleen…

KS: I am exactly here to fight on behalf of the interests of Black and working-class female women, it is them that bear the disproportionate brunt of inequality in our society, and if we lose the ability to name those people as such, and to talk about the causal factors that lead to their predicament, then we won’t be able to fight for them, so it’s precisely dangerous, the kind of rhetoric that’s coming out of the new gender identity doctrine…

JG: Sally, can I just, I mean, if it were a level playing field, why do we not hear as much from trans men as we do from trans women?

BOOM. Answer that question while avoiding granting recognition to the political importance of sex if you will Sally?

 

In the future I’ll be quoting other parts of JCJ’s post, as her clarity of thought and argumentation is unrivalled on these topics that important to women.

The ‘inclusivity’ stupid train just keeps on chugging along over at ShoutoutJMU.  Not an argument or even a shade of nuance is to be found there.  Just dull eyed listless opprobrium meant to keep people in line and critical analysis at bay.

It is an insipid shit show, and we all know by now that the RPOJ is a vehicle build specifically for shit-shows.  But let us not tarry further – let’s see what this “feminist” resource has to offer on the subject of the intersection between radical feminism and queer politics.

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“Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists are one of the worst kinds of people out there. You’re not a feminist, so you’ve been canceled.”

Wow.  Such insight, much praxis, good enlightening…  Starting your thoughts off with insults and slander always sets the stage for a charitable, honest, and productive discussion. 

   The only aspect missing is a strawman caricature of your opponents position to savagely beat and make your fellow besotted acolytes feel powerful….

Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists. These are “feminists” who consistently choose to leave trans folks OUT of the conversation.”

Radical feminism, or effective feminism, is the project to liberate women (Adult human females) from the patriarchal constructs of society.  Generally speaking radical feminist theory and praxis revolves around identifying social structures in society that are oppressing women, raising the consciousness of women being affected by said structures, then analyzing and deconstructing said oppressive edifices with the goal of the emancipation of women from patriarchy. 

   A helpful insight provided free of charge – One of the primary axis of oppression women experience is based on their sex.  The means of this oppression is the construct of gender which dictates and imposes the inferior role for women in society.

   The radical feminist solution is working toward the abolition of gender in society, because the of the harmful nature of the construct for both women and men. 

   Radical Feminists are therefore about the liberation of women in society, and centring women in that struggle.  The activist world is big, if you’re not feeling like you’re the primary concern in Feminism (the struggle for female liberation) then start your own damn movement and stop co-opting feminism proper for goals that do not focus on the female struggle against patriarchy.

  Also since trans identified females (Tif’s) are in fact, female, they are subject to the same sex based oppression all females face and indeed are included under the aegis of effective female-centric feminism. 

“Why? Because, well they suck.”

Queer theorists and the SJW ilk are just full of profoundly deep explanations for their assertions.  To be fair though, they are gangbusters at circular arguments, but that’s still coming; so hold on to your hats folks, the circus ride of abjectly plaintive idiocy has yet to crest.

“The idea is that “transwomen” aren’t really women because they “grew up men” and still “receive all the benefits of the patriarchy”.

Trans women, or trans identified males (Tim’s) are not women.  Male socialization is unavoidable for natal males born into our society.  You’ll have about as much success as renouncing your white privilege if you happen to be born white.  In other words – your personal subjective solution to the dominant ethos of society is fucking irrelevant.

“In turn, they use the same rhetoric with transmen “who grew up women” and are now “trying to receive the benefits of the patriarchy”

They actually don’t.  It is risible enough to deny the potency and ubiquitous nature of male socialization, but to gloss over the fact that much of radical feminism is built on material, factual, reality, is really quite egregious.  Furthermore since TiF’s are female they are indeed most welcome in effective feminism. 

“Either way, someway, all transpeople contribute to the patriarchy and therefore, do not deserve feminism.”

Said no radical feminist ever.  But its damn the torpedoes and full steam ahead when beating the the crap out of the straw feminist bogywoman you’ve created. 

That was honestly hard to write.”

It must have been hard to write considering the sheer magnitude of bullshit per square centimetre demonstrated.

Transwomen are women.

Transmen are men.”

It wouldn’t be a ‘woke’ SJW article without at least one thought terminating cliche, combined of course, with a circular definition of what a woman is. (i.e. What is a woman, a woman is anyone who says they are woman [but what is a woman…??]. – You can’t define a term by itself.)

     Sorry, not sorry, but the above statements are not arguments, they are strictures meant to discriminate between the ideologically sound and the unwashed.  They are endpoints meant to discourage questioning and silence dissent.  You many fuck off now with your thinly veiled ‘woke’ misogyny at your earliest convenience.

“They aren’t “men who grew up to be women and women who grew up to be men”. They’re people who sometimes grew up in the wrong bodies.”

Wrong bodies or not, biological sex is immutable. 

“Don’t even get me started with NB people. OOMPH. The DISRESPECT.”

  So we’ll combat the evil of the gender binary by creating another false binary?  Seems to be layering another layer of oppression into a already terribly oppressive system.  Woo, the progress…

“Rhetoric from TERFs has been used for years to silence people. But right now, me and everyone else in the gendery and queer community are amused…”

  Wow, winning the oppression Olympics must feel soooo fucking good.  

You and the ‘gendery-queery’ community continue to avoid speaking and acting on the elephant in the room: the epidemic of patriarchally endorsed male violence.  Violent males continue to kill women and trans people at alarming rate, pretty much without repercussion and you’re banging on about experiencing repression at the hands of the Radical Feminists? 

   Get back to me when you start tackling the root of the problem instead of whinging on about a small collection of females who are rightly calling bullshit your inconsistent, misogynistic, and female erasing ideology. 

“Some folks are discussing… […]”

  Skipping tangential meanderings/virtue signalling.

TERFs are exclusive, and demand their turf space. But, people like me aren’t going to let them have it.”

The struggle against male power is age old, and the misogyny exhibited here is nothing new.  Women will rise, women will struggle, and women will prevail against patriarchy in whatever form it happens to take.  Thankyouverymuch. 

“Even when TERFs include race or ability, their sole goal to deconstruct the patriarchy and battle gender stereotypes and fight for equality of gender….is counter intuitive. They’re not fighting for all women.

Radical feminists are struggling for female liberation.  Gender is a toxic hierarchy by definition, and thus, no semblance of “equality” can be struck within the system. 

    The only counterintuitive aspect of your statement is attempting to lump males into a movement that strives for female liberation.  It makes about as much sense as asking for management’s opinions on how to run a union strike.  

“Why should I contribute to feminist conversations… […]”

I’m solidly with you on that one, because other than creating a writable RPOJ-moment, the value of your contributions (at least to the feminist movement) approaches zero.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MALES CANNOT BECOME WOMEN.  (This statement of material reality is now a ban worthy offence on Twitter and here on Word Press.).

 

Let’s just get that out of the way upfront.  If this blog goes dark, you’ll know why.   Silencing women and stifling free speech is the order of the day because keeping the gender delusions of entitled males safe from bad words, arguments, and science is more important than just about anything it seems.

 

 

The punishment for daring to speak of material reality becomes ever more apparent.

 

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