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Filing this under patriarchal shit that makes me mad. :/ Quote from “The Problem with How Men Perceive Rape” by Lux Alptraum.
“One of the reasons it took me so long to open up about my negative experiences with men was that, for years, I assumed I was alone. I’d grown up hearing that “no means no,” and that smart women are upfront about their needs and obviously walk away from anyone who refuses to respect their boundaries. I assumed that I was the only one weak enough to let my desire for intimacy and affection fuel a tolerance for sex I didn’t quite want, in ways I didn’t want it. I assumed that being badgered into sex, or “consenting” due to sheer exhaustion, was a personal problem.
I couldn’t have been more wrong.
While writing this story, I heard from a number of different women who’d had sexual experiences that weren’t quite rape, but didn’t feel completely consensual either. One woman told me about having the flu and still being pressured into sex by her boyfriend, an encounter that left her with “a low level distaste for sex for a few years after”—right up until she started to learn about the concept of “dubious consent” and came to terms with what she’d been through.
Another woman, whom I’ll call Anna, told me about the first time she had sex. Although things started consensually—“I had recently been feeling some anxiety over not having had a lot of sexual experiences yet, and so was feeling excited and a little bit daring about finally getting to”—her enthusiasm began to fade as her partner failed to live up to her expectations. At first he tried to penetrate her without a condom, and though he stopped and put one on at her request, the subsequent sex was painful, unpleasant, and bloody. “My body language was telegraphing pain/discomfort/disinterest, since I stopped showing enthusiasm or reciprocation,” Anna says. But her partner didn’t seem to notice or particularly care, even assuming she’d be up for another session after a short period of post-coital cuddling.
Anna doesn’t feel raped, but she can’t deny that the experience impacted her deeply. To this day, her sexual experiences are marred by a fear that she won’t be able to advocate for herself or properly assert her own boundaries. “I’ve wondered for years why I didn’t say anything when I stopped enjoying it, and why I let him continue.”
The answer to Anna’s question may lie in the experiences of other women. Marie, who, like Anna, requested anonymity, shared multiple stories of saying no to sex, being asked again, saying no another time, being asked again, and then eventually saying yes—even though her lack of desire remained unchanged. “I don’t want to disappoint people,” she says. “I especially don’t want to disappoint people in a sexual context. If I say no, someone getting upset, acting hurt, being disappointed, and asking again can easily make me say yes”—a personality quirk that both male and female partners have used against her, manipulating her into consenting and guilting her for setting boundaries.
Women get socialized to put their needs second and make other people happy, and too many men get socialized to ignore rejections and relentlessly pursue whatever it is that they desire. It’s a toxic combination that can lead women to deprioritize enthusiastic consent in the hopes of keeping the peace, or to turn to coping mechanisms like alcohol to make not exactly consensual sex feel a little bit more okay.”
Of course there is male douchery in the comments section, some dude blithely going on ignoring what is being said around him. *sigh*.
Let the crime spree begin…
This is a funny/not funny example of what women are faced with when it comes to the circumstances surrounding rape and sexual assault. Kinda sounds like a crummy deal doesn’t it? So, if it is improper when it comes to robbery, why is it ‘a-okay’ with rape?
In the category of appalling but unsurprising when it comes to the exploitation of labour by capital, we have this “charming” vignette:
“Joy Lynn, who now co-owns the Whipple Company Store and has turned it into a museum, told Kline she has had as many 10 women visit the museum who referred to the third-floor space as “the rape room” because that is how the mine guards forced the women to pay for their shoes. “They would have to keep their mouths shut tight about what had happened to them upstairs,” Lynn said, because the mining companies would threaten to kick them out of their company-owned houses.”
[…]
Consider the time – this is when the free market was actually very close to being free – unhindered by government and all of its nasty regulations. This was also before the time of much of labour organization in the US. Unbridled power in any one segment of society leads to exploitation and abuse of people, yet as we stumble forward in the humble-bumble forced march of neo-liberalism, these are the sorts of conditions that await us.
“Since the publication of his article on Esau in Appalachian Heritage, Kline writes that “numerous accounts of institutionalized forced sexual servitude in the coal fields have surfaced.”
A woman from West Virginia told Harris and Kline a story about her great-grandmother who was “rented” to coal company agents at the age of 12. She would spend four to six months at a time in sexual servitude in coal camps. “And if the girls had babies, the babies would be taken and sold,” the woman said.
The girls and young women who were taken from their homes in West Virginia were called “comfort girls” or “comfort wives” during their time in servitude. The Japanese government followed the same model, forcing Korean and Chinese woman to work as “comfort women” during World War II. Japan has refused to apologize for forcing the women into sexual servitude, claiming the women were voluntary prostitutes. In West Virginia, state officials have never acknowledged the existence of this formal system of sexual servitude.
The West Virginia woman interviewed by Harris and Kline said her great-grandmother felt so desperate at the time that she did not have any qualms about selling her own babies. “I mean, if you’re a woman and the only thing you have to make money with is your body, and you end up pregnant, you can’t afford to feed that baby. So what are you going to do?” she said.
A woman who needed another week’s worth of groceries or needed new shoes would pay with their own bodies, the woman said.
“My sense is they weren’t ashamed,” Harris said about the exploited women. “It wasn’t something they were embarrassed about. It was very much in the same vein as the men going into the coal mine and taking risks they had no business taking. It’s like you do what you have to do to feed your family. They didn’t talk about it, but they certainly weren’t ashamed of it. Why would you be ashamed of feeding your kids?”
This is the sort of exploitation unfettered and unregulated capitalism can bring to people; it should not be a set of conditions that we aspire recreate.
[Quotes from Mark Hands essay: ‘Rape Rooms’: How West Virginia Women Paid Off Coal Company Debts. (via Counterpunch)]
Usually we get to watch loopy christians say loopy stuff in support of their sincere belief in magic here on the the Disservice. Not so much fun today as we are going to look at how belief in magic can warp the moral fibre of people into condoning rape and the abuse of women. Let’s visit our new shitstain friend over at Christian Husbands.
[ed. I’m almost done and I really need to put a trigger warning on this post because this depraved example of humanity has written a how-to manual on how to dominate and rape your wife all the while being at one with with the loving christian god. This dude plumbs the depths of atrocious human behaviour and morality with the robotic smiley certainty that only absolute religious belief can bring about. Consider yourself warned.]
“As Christians who embrace God’s Word as the guide for our lives, we know that the Bible condones sex ONLY within the bounds of marriage.”
For an all powerful being god sure seems to be obsessed with sex and sexuality. I’m thinking the all-father has no fracks to give about human procreation, priests and clergy though, do have a rather large stiffy when it comes to controlling their flock.
“Our culture’s acceptance of pre-marital sex has been one of the major contributing factors to the decline in marriage, and the rise in cohabitation rates.”
You see, my dear fuck-witted christian misogynist, that is a load of shit. Dudes have been procuring copious amounts of sex from women outside the godly bounds of marriage both before and after the “sexual revolution”. So your problem isn’t premarital sex or cohabitation, it is the unseemly idea that women have choice and free will when it comes to choosing a relationship and their mates.
You know, sort of exercising the type of freedom men have had since day one. This sort of base level expression of female humanity and autonomy – fucks with your shit – and now I sense you’re going to attempt to justify how awesome it was in the good ole days when men were people – and women were not.
“Why buy the cow, when you can get the milk for free?”
Or why get angry and frustrated by vapid christian stupidity when there plenty of other worthwhile causes to spend one’s mental resources on?
Good question, but usually it is the unseemly mix of ignorance, callous piety, and genuine disregard for ethical behaviour that flips enough switches for your moral homunculi to say ‘jumping frog guts, batman! – this amount of aberrant stupid is intolerable – battlestations!
Let’s get this front and centre. Women are not chattel nor are they animals in the sense that they can be bought and sold. Women possess the same level of humanity and autonomy that men do. Our society is sloooooooowly starting to get the idea that we don’t have a second class of people (women). Retrograde biblical shit-lords like BiblicalGenderRoles (BGR) want nothing to do with respecting women and autonomy; especially women outside of their patriarchally approved gender prison.
“I can hear it now – “What about those boys! This is not fair that all the pressure is on the women”. Yes the Scriptures command BOTH men and women to not engage in sex before marriage, and yes they did speak to us as young men about being godly men of integrity, about being gentlemen. However, if you examine the Scriptures closely, you will see that God places the greater burden on the woman to refuse the man. “
The first rule of misogyny is to blame women for the crummy behaviour of men. Quelle surprise! BGR is already going there, let’s watch and see.
“In the Old Testament law, a woman could be executed for not being a virgin when she was married, whereas there was no such punishment for a man that was not a virgin. I realize this goes against our modern “gender equality” ideas, but the Bible supports no such notion.”
Well, looky here! My magic book supports my misogyny because 2000 years ago people treated eachother horribly. We should replicate those norms because they happen to benefit me! Of course…Shitlord goes for broke and continues with the bovine/human female comparison…
“But once you have bought the cow, you ARE supposed to get the milk for free
One of the problems we face today in the Christian community (but it certainly is not limited to Christians) is that often times, even after we have waited, and “bought the cow” (married our wives), our wives expect us to “buy the milk” as well. I recently wrote a post responding to a Christian teacher’s false belief, that in marriage men do in fact have to “buy the milk”(earn sex), even after “buying the cow”(marrying a woman).”
BGR is all about the marital rape. We will now turn to his ugly rape apologia backed up, of course, by those sterling ethical standards found in the bible, for the rest of this episode. If you were ever wavering on the idea that ‘religion poisons everything’ please continue reading and your doubts will be assiduously quelled.
“A quick word on the “cow analogy” before we continue – in no way am I meaning disrespect toward women, or saying that cows are somehow equal to women, or that women are less human than men.”
What is truly abhorrent is that BGR, the High Christian Shitlord of Asstainistan, is aware that he is making an odious comparison. He has enough comprehension and remains of a moral compass to see what he is saying is wrong and hurtful to others. Watch what happens in the next sentence.
“But Biblically speaking, a wife does belong to her husband (men paid a “bride price” and one the terms for husband in the original languages of the Bible is “baal” which means “owner or master” (e.g. Proverbs 31). I Peter 3 says “Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord[master]“.
Did you see that?
Right there.
Right Fucking There.
That is how toxic religion is to ethical behaviour. I respect women, but my magical religious supersede any moral compuntions I might have and therefore she is not human and not equal, but rather she is property and thus should be treated as such.
(A small break while I gather my words and my amygdala calms down, lets look at some kittehs.)
Kitteh’s wonder how this dude can be so evil.
We’re always pointing out how crazy and terrible ISIL is with their savage acts against humanity, yet we have the exact same suspension of moral rectitude happening here for the exact same reason. Religious belief. It cannot be more starkly clear than what just happened above.
But hey, we need to get back to more biblical justification for immoral actions! Wheee!
“The fact is, in marriage, neither the husband, nor the wife, should have to earn sex. While husband’s denying their wives sexually is a problem sometimes, the vast majority of the time it is the wife denying her husband. Ask any pastor (and I have many pastor friends) and they will confirm this. Ask any marriage counselor, and they will confirm this as well.”
The fuck? You mean that woman are not machines you put kindness coins into until sex comes out? Unpossible!!! !!!
“But there is a difference between flat out denial, which some wives are guilty of, and a woman making her husband earn sex (but both are equally wrong). I once knew a Christian couple, where the only way the man got sex from his wife was when he did the dishes and picked up the house. For other men, it might be buying flowers for your wife, or taking her out to dinner. Please don’t misunderstand me, I don’t think it wrong for a husband to do these kinds of things for his wife, but these things should NEVER be a prerequisite to sex.”
Shitlord honestly believes that women should be subordinate to his penis. You fucking cave dwelling toad – women including your wife owe you exactly jackshit when it comes to sex or anything else. Your insidious world view precludes the idea that women are human beings that have say as to what happens to them. You don’t want a wife you want an obedient fuck-toy to take care of you and your important man-problems and now that women are realizing that submissive rape-toy is not their only role in life you are throwing a herculean mantrum because your ‘peen haz a sad.
You, DGR, are a pathetic, immoral, excuse of a human being, deserving of nothing but scorn and disdain. I happen to have lots of both on tap Shitlord, so lucky for us and bully for you.
“The sinful sexual pattern of modern women
Husbands listen to me, engaged men please hear me. There is a pattern that takes place in a lot of Christian marriages (and non-Christian marriages). At the beginning of the sexual relationship between a man and woman (which should begin after marriage, but sometimes it sinfully starts before marriage), women will give their husbands all the “free milk” they want. She lets him “taste the goods” so to speak.”
Oh, here we go speaking of patterns we’re about to set up the blame women for my important man problems (again).
“But not long into the marriage, the milk is no longer free of charge, it now comes at a cost. That cost looks very different from woman to woman, but there is a cost of some sort. For some Christian men, it might simply be household chores, for others it is buying jewelry or other gifts. For other husbands, it is making a decision the way their wife wants it, but they do not think is best.”
You mean that she probably has your children and house to tend to now and doesn’t have the energy for yoursexy times any more? Completely shocking that she has no energy after dealing with the kids and then going to work, and then coming home to the second shift, that she has no gas left in the tank to worship your ‘peen.
Breaks are required.
BGR you are a regressive antediluvian ass-clam. Access to pussy is not a fucking human right. Look down. You see that weird dongle at the end of your right arm – its your hand and magically, if you need to release your sexual desires it is just a rum-tug-tuggle away; as a special bonus you don’t need an oppressed class of people to help you do that (unless you are categorically pants-on-head retarded, which I suspect is the case).
How BGR writes is a special treat because he always says something absolutely terrible and then manages in the next paragraph to say something even worse. It must be a special power granted only to those of the Christian Shitlord persuasion.
“What all these different prerequisites have in common is, they require a man to transfer his God given authority over his home, his children, and his wife and yes even his wife’s body to his wife. Only if they do the bidding of their wife, will she give them “the goods”.
Repeat after me Shitlord – “My wife is not my property, she is not my fuck-toilet, she is a human being who has the same rights and bodily autonomy that I do, she “owes” me NOTHING”. In the paragraph above you are contemplating that fact that if you treat your wife as a human being you can’t dominate her and own her like slave. Not having a slave is making you and your ‘peen sad.
From the rest of us who still retain their moral compass: You, Shitlord, are a monster. Know that.
“How to stop this wicked pattern
For you engaged men, or newlywed husbands it will be much easier if you spot this change in your wife and nip it in the bud right away. If you allow this pattern to go on for years of marriage, it only becomes harder (but not impossible) to break. Whether you have been married 6 months, or 6 years, the fix is still the same.”
Shorter Shitlord: How to crush my wife’s spirit and humanity (this was so much easier when it was okay to beat women into submisson) and turn her into the fuck toilet you deserve. (Spoiler: The bible says its okay!!!)
“When your wife tells you “If you do ___________ for me, then I will do that for you”, you need to sit down and take out the Word of God. You must see this as God sees it, as an act of rebellion against your authority over her (and her body), and by extension as an act of rebellion against God himself, because he has given her to you. You need to rebuke your wife’s sinful behavior.”
I can’t even… Women are people, your failure to recognize this fact illustrates the huge gap in your ethics and your reasoning. You have no ‘authority’ over anyone. You are invoking you magic book to justify oppressing another human being. This is past heart of darkness level of depravity and evil. BGR, you need to seek help because you are failing at basic humanity and empathy.
“Take her to I Corinthians and read the Word of God to her:
“Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.” – I Corinthians 7:3-5(KJV)”
Scare tactics, shame, threats of violence are all considered abuse in this modern secular age. I suggest you get with the fucking program, despite the ‘wisdom’ of your magic book.
“The Bible places absolutely NO preconditions on sex between a husband and wife within the bounds of marriage (contrary to what many Christian books and teachers teach today). In fact the only mutual agreement a couple is called to is, when they STOP having sex for a given period.”
My magic book says that rape is okay, therefore rape is okay and should be encouraged… I’m going to start skipping some stuff as really, the theme that god says its okay to rape women is being done to death.
“After you confront your wife’s rebellion (not only towards God’s command to her, but by extension the authority he has given you) – she is not exactly going to be in the mood, if you know what I mean. It may feel as though you have been unloving to her, but you are in fact loving your wife when you call out her sin, and call her to repentance, just as God calls to all of us.”
After you berate and threaten your wife she might not be in the mood, go figure, you pernicious fuck. See how Patriarchy is interwoven into the very core of religion? See how tightly they collude to force women into submission. The House in Vegas is envious of this system that so effectively combats women’s status as human beings.
“Your wife’s rebellion against your sexual authority over her body is by definition “unrighteousness”. You would in essence, be “unloving” to your wife, from God’s perspective, if you allowed her sinful attitude to go unchecked.”
Gaa… Sexual authority? How about this, go fuck you and your ‘sexual authority’ sideways with the cacti of your choice.
“But should you still have relations with your wife after such a confrontation?
I believe the answer is yes, if she yields to you (even with the wrong attitude). When I first had to confront my wife with these types of issues, I would confront her, and then just leave the sex to happen another night, because after all, I like most men don’t prefer to have sex with my wife when she acts grumpy about it.
Holy fuck – you are advocating raping your wife.
But I realized that the sex still needs to occur, that sex is not about being in the mood, and it is not about feelings, it is about doing what is right. I agree whole heartedly that the best sex a Christian couple can have is when they are spiritually, emotionally and physically connected all at once. But the truth is there will be many times when we don’t have all that in place, but we must still have sex. God wants us to do the right thing, even when we don’t feel like it.”
You are a rapist. The authorities should be notified immediately.
“This probably won’t be a onetime thing
As a Christian husband, and really just as a Christian, we must realize that we all from time to time slip back into patterns of sinful behavior. Please don’t think that if your wife seems to submit to your sexual authority over her body after confronting her with the truth of God’s Word, that this rebellion will never seep back up again in her life. This has definitely not been a onetime thing with my wife, and I have also talked with other Christian men who have told me it is the same with their wives as well.”
This also abuse. Saying no to a sexual advance is NEVER sinful behaviour. Never ever. You are in this paragraph admitting that you are regularly raping your wife and using the bible to justify your criminal behaviour. I hear ISIL is looking for a few good men and let me assure you, you fit their qualifications admirably.
“Can my Christian wife ever say no to my sexual advances?
This is the logical question you as a Christian husband (or engaged man) might ask after everything we have just looked at. The answer to this question is a Christian wife should never give her husband a flat no, BUT she can humbly and gently ask for a delay. There may be legitimate physical or other issues that might prompt your wife to ask you for a delay. But this must be done humbly and respectfully, and always with the attitude in mind that her body does belong to her husband. But a Christian wife should ALWAYS make good on her “rainchecks” with her husband. Also these “delay requests” from wives should be the exception, and not the normal response to a husband’s sexual advances.”
Oh how beneficent is this? The sex slave can ask for a temporary halt to the rape train – how fucking convivial.
This person and their thoughts sicken me. This sort of attitude toward women has no place in a civilized society. This sick fuck should be in prison, end of story.
For more hilarity(?), see Violet Wisp’s take-down of this rapist’s post.
A kitteh pick me up before you go. See you soon. :)
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One of the most refreshing experiences a feminist can be graced with, it is positively bracing I do declare, is having an entitled white dude explain to them what is wrongity-wrong-wrong with Feminism. I’m not sure what is more alluring, a dude’s decisive grasp of the basic tenets of feminist thought or their keen focus on what feminism should be about. Both are lobe expanding/enhancing experiences.
The influx of dudely commentary on the feminism tag seems positively correlated to the collective male apoplexy otherwise known as “GamerGate” a loose organization of dudes purportedly about ethics in game journalism (who the fuck cares about game journalism?) which, in actuality, is a movement committed to defending the misogyny that permeates much of gaming “culture”. The defense of misogyny in society is always accompanied by the harassment of women who dare to speak against the dude-approved status quo; let me assure you their is no lack of harassment toward females in this grand movement.
I digress from the twittering musings of the RPOJ, but I feel that a little background was(is) necessary to adequately frame where our next featured writer is coming from. Imagine, gentle reader: Hadrian’s Wall or the Black Gate from Tolkien, or even “The Wall” from Game of Thrones. Our dudely protagonist clearly places himself defending these bastions of masculinity against the ravening feminists hoards that seek only to pull down all that is good and just, not only the arena of gaming, but dare I say, the world. Our embattled protagonist must mount a fierce defense of his fiefdom as clearly, being in the majority, at the top of the social and cultural power gradients, basically the world being designed for him – is in moral peril of the threat of women being included in his world and being treated as human beings. This is a grave threat that cannot, nay… belay that, must not be ignored.
The fainting whirling you hear in the background is the stirring of the eyebrows of feminists who see this sad/enraging/sardonic (stupefying?) metaphor constantly being used by dudes to frame the oppression of men by the evil forces of feminism – only ruin can follow if the feminists are not put to a halt.
See if you can spot “The Wall” in the musty musings of this anal polyp also known as The Asylum. Our friend The Ass-Plum (I know, it writes itself some days) has written a real charmer of a post entitled “Fuck Off Feminists – part 1“. Catchy title, but do you think that with his laser like concision, our dude will stay on target and deal with this weighty statement with the due amount of charity and accuracy or; will he make shit up while beating straw feminism to death and recycle MRA talking points while talking through his hat?
The wiggling Red Pen of Justice cannot be forestalled any further – Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more. But when the blast of war blows in our ears, Then imitate the action of the kitteh!!
“OK so the title has probably got some people’s backs up, and to be honest good, as it will later be stated that those are the people who in fact just prove my point further.”
Fascinatingly enough, starting by insulting the group you’re about to pontificate about is a fairly common tactic. Do note that being as asshole is the Plan A here. Fuck discourse, fuck measured debate, and of course a heaping plate of fuck you to civility.
“Firstly, I am not for one second that the great voices of the female past such as Pankhurst should be forgotten, merely that the movement, along with many others, has now been bastardised beyond recognition.”
Nor are you keen with the proof reading, but full marks for telling us who women should venerate and who they should not – clearly within your dudely purview.
“I will take this moment now to state I am not going to use “scientific answers”,”
In best “Data” Voice: But captain, this is magnificent case of rectal cranial reversal! He is saying the facts of the situation don’t matter, but his very important opinion does. Oh, to what depths will you fall you magnificent Ass-Plum of a human being.
“I am merely using my site to state that I am sick to the back teeth of so many pro women feminists out there twisting every single article or statement into a debate about how women are suffering at the hand of the tyrannical male, newsflash – its people who suffer at the hands of people not just women at the hand of man.”
Those women. They are responsible for everything bad about the world, it is and always shall be their fault. Oh, and I’ll throw in some bullshit equality talk in a Pyrrhic attempt to make me look like less of douche.
“Oh, and by the way I am Not a woman-hater in any shape or form,”
Ah, then Ass-Plum dearest, how do you explain the title of this article? Hmm?
“nor am I deliberately or intentionally misogynistic,”
But if it happens, so be it? – *watches ass-plum shrug*. Yep, a true gentlemen we have here.
“however I do believe that no matter how much we advance there are always going to be certain roles that either Gender is predisposed to have a better “success” rate at.”
Really? And how would you measure that binky? How would you control for the wide variation in male and female socialization to be able to make that sweeping claim. And really gender is about oppression and is a societal construct that must be dismantled, along with patriarchy in order for our society to evolve.
““You don’t understand!” ” You’re just being a typical man!” “We have always had it harder than men so we are entitled to this attitude!” and the great one “we only want equality””
But Ass-Plum, **you** really don’t understand, you exhibit demonstrable white male privilege and entitlement and as we’ll see are generally clueless about the topic you’ve chosen to discuss.
” Well hello even a look at the dictionary definition of Feminism highlights just how warped the movement has become the correct definition being”
Ah, because the world is precisely demarcated by what the OED says, especially when it comes to complex sociological topics. Dealing with qualities that individuals possess though, woo, dictionaries are great take for instance this, as it applies to you (As an aside: since when does looking shit up in a dictionary qualify as ‘research’):
“ignoramus – [ig-nuh–rey-muh s, –ram–uh s] – 1.an extremely ignorant person. ” Well, if that isn’t you down to a “T” I don’t know what is.
Ass-Plum having at least a little bit of clue in finding definitions went to the OED, but was completely stumped by the second part of the definition he found.
“A ‘second wave’ of feminism arose in the 1960s, with an emphasis on unity and sisterhood; seminal figures included Betty Friedan and Germaine Greer”
“So there in a nut shell is how warped it has become, the original movement was to give women the same rights as men – which is more than deserved and should not ever be thought of as anything but correct. However, then the second wave started promoting sisterhood, creating an “all girls together” us against the world, we can do as we wish and man has to put up with it, attitude.”
I hate to break it to you Skippy, but the the only ones who get to say when the feminist revolution is over are women. Our fruit-enhanced punter also seems to think that women organizing and displaying signs of solidarity within their class is a somehow a bad thing. He, like most men attempting to mansplain feminism, miss/ignore the historical relevance of what each wave brought/brings to the table. I’m not your history teacher, Grasshopper, read more about the Waves of Feminism here.
“Which is itself prioritising one gender at the disregard of the other.”
I see this so fracking much in discussions of feminism. What is “this”, well this dear reader is the dark shard of ignorance that drives so much of hot air that eminates from people when they have “serious” discussions about feminism.
It starts with a mindset that somehow the here and now that both women and men are treated equally in society. Evidentially speaking, this is not the case, see socialization, pay gap, harassment etc. Here is my theory – because generally many white dudes get a fair shake in society (that and having their norms reflected and embedded) they somehow think that others that don’t look like them, have the same experience.
The other aspect of why dudes say the stupidest things is a keenly developed ahistorical narrative in which the oppression of women is minimized or erased entirely. Please dudes just read History Matters and Against our Will they will serve as preventative tonics against you sounding so earth shatteringly ignorant.
“Not Equality and therefore not true Feminism, so to those who state read the definition, I Say to you, I HAVE.”
You sir, would not know Feminism if bit you in the ass.
“Further to that now I believe there is a much more damaging 3rd wave of feminists about who thanks to a friend who uses the term so well, we will
call “feminazi” and their intent is to completely reverse the times of old and create essentially a female controlled and led society where males are seen as a lower species. “
Wow, just wow. Because the liberation of women is just like Fascism!!! Right here, right now witness the manly construction of a straw argument. Third Wave feminism is about creating a society dominated by women, essentially replacing patriarchy with matriarchy!
Jesus-fuck. The hysterical men-children have broke loose because the big bad feminists are encroaching on their domain. By encroaching I mean demanding that women be treated as full human beings.
*sigh forever*
“You may think this is a bit of an extreme over reaction,”
No shit, Sherlock.
“sadly it is not, nor is the use of the word “feminazi” in fact you could dissect the word two ways and it would still make the current movement inseparable from the phrase.”
*thump* It was sound of hundreds of heads hitting hundreds of desks. But at least Ass-Plum is doing definitions again, as it has been so helpful to his cause…
“[1] Femi-Nazi – A movement designed to seek control over society, through manipulation of the community and through an environment of fear. “
Oh you mean like the environments women must navigate through *all the time* in society because their status as human beings is almost always in question?
“[2] Femin-azi – “A spin on Papparazi , the horrible scurge of the Human race who, think they have a right to invade people in their own personal space and spread some idle gossip or half truth in order to glorify themselves and or promote their own self-worth and gain, who will think nothing of terrorising and controlling individuals until they achieve their end goal”
Ah yes because men are regularly sent rape and death threats for speaking out in female dominated spheres of interest…
“See Both work.”
Both actually prove that the three working neurons you possess took the fucking day off.
” Not to mention the trivialisation of RAPE. Yes People, I said it, the worlds second most abhorrent crime is being trivialised by supposed pro equality and pro female rights groups, in many ways and this is a major worry for me. “
Wait, what?
“Sadly we will never irradiate this act but again,”
The rest of his commentary must be positively glowing with fact.
“Point One, it does happen to Men as well as women, there is no need to either hide or promote a “certain statistic” that will validate your claim, Rape is about power, Power is not gender specific, Sorry but it’s not.”
1.What about teh Menz!
2. Power gradients in society, what the fuck are they?
3. I know nothing of history therefore I can be this much of fuck-wit.
I need Ass-Plum to come up for air soon, the stupid is becoming suffocating. Power is not gender specific, also just in: The Sun orbits the Earth…
“If I go out and get a bit drunk and end up waking up next to a girl who I didn’t know the night before, then that is a pretty good night,”
Because your experience is everyone’s experience. Dammit, I’m going to need a heavy grade shower-poof to exfoliate all this dudely entitlement off.
“It is not me becoming a sex pest, if that was the case then most men in the world would be serial rapists, and again I state so would many women.”
Because consent is hard (?). Treating women like they were a part of humanity is not that big of a stretch, try it some time.
“People should not have to get written consent before every single act of a sexual nature takes place for fear of being put up on charges, and while im on the subject and just to clarify further”
Because making sure she wants to participate with you in said activity might ruin your boner. You can fuck right-off jerkstick.
“Anyway, basically what im trying to say, in my own clumsy way, is that Rape is a disgusting and vile act and the actual “act” should not be lessened by the over use or application of the word to situations that in fact are just “mistakes” or in some cases, Fun.”
Oh because those darn women mistaking rape for FUN! You contemptible asshole of the first degree. Your defense of rape culture is disgusting.
“Sadly, I am not sure how we can move forward from this, as it appears to just be another example of how modern day society is intent on tearing itself apart, however , let me try to put it to you really simply,”
We can move forward when dipshits such as yourself are struck repeatedly with a clue by four until you get some basic contextual idea of what is actually happening in society and not the nilly-willy full of shit-to-the-gills self-serving narrative that you’ve had excruciatingly turned to “11” this entire post.
“Does anyone have the “right” to be racist , just because they’re ancestors were wrongly treated?”
I don’t even know what this means. My best guess is Clownus-Maximus is trying an inverted racism argument because uppity black people/women/minorities disquiet his precious status-quo.
“Does anyone religion have the “right” to control other belief systems just because of theirs?”
Awww Br
o! Why Can’t We All Just Get Along? – And by get along we do mean the way in which society functions that continues to directly and indirectly benefit me (the great white-dude).
“No, and nor does any one GENDER have a right to Control the other.”
Ass-Plum, your ignorance must constantly endanger your life. Get yourself to a library, stat!
“Now, I could continue by going into the rights and wrongs of gender specific roles and situations, and how we as society create these situations ourselves, almost from birth, by the “preconceptions” of Boy is Blue, Girl is Pink, Barbie vs Action Man, etc,”
Oh god, please don’t! My irony meter just committed seppuku like three paragraphs back…
“however to be honest, im getting a bit hungry and tired now so am off to find the nearest Tavern and local wench ;) so that will have to wait,”
There are small mercies in this world, the firehose of ignorant bullshit has ceased. Hallelujah!
As a new added feature of the RPOJ we get a Shakespearean Insult hand culled from the internets.
Dear Ass-Plum,
See Above.
bleatmop
Mystro
Dead Wild Roses 
Your opinions…