I was excited. I was hopeful. I very much wanted it to be true. But I’m not at all surprised (a bit depressed though) that solar roadways are a bad idea. Three main categories of problems have been illustrated by many.
One is cost. This one is tough as the solar roadway people haven’t been all that forthcoming on how much each panel might be, but estimates based on what little we do know show roadways costing somewhere between 20 and 56 trillion dollars.
Two is solar efficiency. Solar panels are angled to best capture sunlight, the really good ones tilt to follow the sun. Lying flat on the road is just a bad place to collect solar energy. And as everything these roads are supposed to do is based on them collecting massive amounts of solar energy, this is a huge problem.
Three is durability. Rock erodes glass. Rock being ground in by untold tonnes of traffic erode glass fast. Those super expensive modules wouldn’t last too long.
And these are only very brief summations of entire categories of problems that have been pointed out about the roadways.
Now, if the solar roadway people are earnest in their efforts (and I have no reason to suspect they aren’t) they now have over 2 million dollars to get this idea as far as it can possibly go. While that won’t be a fraction of how far they envisioned or how far I had hoped, they should be able to learn something. Whatever they find, doubtless there is an easier and cheaper way we could be learning it, but as is so often the case, we’re doing it the hard way. Salvage what we can and move on.
If nothing else, more people are thinking about roadway improvements, which is a good thing. Someone will look back at this and think, “Boy, that was a horrible idea, the REAL way to improve roads is by…” and they will probably be wrong too. But they will be slightly less wrong. So plods on progress.




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July 23, 2014 at 6:16 am
tildeb
Imagine if we came at all revolutionary ideas the same way: take the first model of just about anything and its inherent problems and mistake it for the sum of the potential. You reach a very shortsighted conclusion, I think, but relevant to this specific type of solar roadway.
Now imagine a roadway (linked to the entire continental network) not as a gravel collector made of glass but as an energy conduit that provides the power necessary to run whatever traffic uses it. The potential is awesome.
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July 23, 2014 at 8:36 am
john zande
Pity, i quite liked the idea, but i dare say its not dead in the water. That said, let’s just get off terra firma altogether and climb into personal, high speed, fly-by-wire blimps.
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July 23, 2014 at 8:37 am
Mystro
@tildeb
I didn’t mean to give the impression that I figure all work should stop. Indeed, I still feel that a better road material ought to be the holy grail of material engineering. As I said, whatever is learned from this project can inspire new ideas and attempts. Many critics have called solar roadways stupid. I’m more inclined to think of it as a wonderful idea that just won’t work.
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July 23, 2014 at 8:45 am
tildeb
Jetpacks!
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July 23, 2014 at 8:49 am
Mystro
@john zande
I agree. Blimps should definitely be a part of more long term plans.
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July 23, 2014 at 9:33 am
john zande
Pleeeeaaaase!
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July 23, 2014 at 12:48 pm
The Intransigent One
The trouble with blimps
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=160851
also, blimp doesn’t feel like a word anymore. blimp blimp blimp blimp blimp
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July 23, 2014 at 2:37 pm
Mystro
@ TIO
That was the funniest thing I’ve read in quite some time. Thank you for sharing. But it just makes me want blimps more. The best way to deal with flying evil sinister menaces is to harness them so that their destructive powers will only be unleashed upon your enemies.
blimp blimp blimp blimp blimp
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July 23, 2014 at 4:00 pm
bleatmop
Assuming that critique is valid, it seems that everything that they promise isn’t necessarly going to happen. I still think utilizing solar panels on our roadways can be a good thing, especially with the onset of electric cars coming.
Also, just because it is currently cheaper to pain white on roadways doesn’t mean we shouldn’t innovate new things. I’m not surprised Thunderfoot is being like that, but I am disappointed that a scientist is so hostile to innovation. Personally I think we should be making solar panels to be placed in every conceivable place that we can. It is literally free energy that we are not utilizing. And the thing about making more solar panels is that we will have more smart people making them. The more smart people making them, the more efficient they will become, making more places where it will be feasible to place them, making more demand for the panels, meaning we will have more smart people involved in their creation, and on and on.
However it does seem, unless more compelling evidence is presented, that this inventors idea is basically over.
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July 23, 2014 at 5:46 pm
tildeb
Hey, Bleatmop… did you know that solar already employs more people and produces more than twice what fracking does in terms of US energy usage? We just don’t hear much about it because, well, because it’s not oil or gas or making equivalent political donations as the fossil fuel industry regularly does. Too dispersed, donchaknow. And, yes, roadways are public property that could a very long way to collecting significant energy quantities. I, too, was somewhat thunderstruck by Thunderfoot dismissing the idea so cavalierly along with the specific panels shown by the video. I think it’s a great idea and we’re at the front end of it. (What do you mean home computers – and even more ludicrous, hand held computers! – is a great idea? Everyone knows they take up so much space and require so many transistors and weigh so much that you’d require entire reinforced floors of houses to put one in someone’s home. It cannot possibly work. Dream on!)
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July 23, 2014 at 6:07 pm
Mystro
@bleatmop
Quite so. Innovation towards more and better use of solar power should indeed be encouraged.
@tildeb
How wonderful would it be if solar power followed computers’ rate of technological growth over the coming years? I fear, however, it will be a much slower process. So while I am sad that this particular project isn’t panning out, I figure it’s just that much more important that it nudged us towards a seemingly very far off goal.
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