Here is a just a snapshot of what it’s like…
“What’s on my mind, Facebook? Glad you asked.
I am angry.
I’m angry because before I moved to the UK, I worked at a bar where the manager proposed a new uniform where the men wore waistcoats and button up shirts, while the women wore corsets. And no one saw the problem with that.
I’m angry because when I told him that if I wanted to wear that I’d be a stripper and earn ten times more, my coworkers were embarrassed and looked away.
I’m angry because even though he eventually admitted that my objections were valid, this incident (“Corsetgate,” I like to call it) is not remembered as the time I defended myself and my female coworkers from being objectified at work, but rather as the time that I “totally flipped out.”I’m angry because when I threw a customer out of the bar for grabbing me (twice, once after I explicitly told him it was unacceptable), I was asked repeatedly where exactly he grabbed me. As if there is some ranking system as to what must happen before I am allowed to feel violated by a stranger’s hands on me.
I am angry because the (female) bouncer told me afterward that his behavior was a compliment to me. I’m angry because she believes that. Because misogyny is so much a part of our society that women really believe that their bodies aren’t their own.
I’m angry because last night, out at some random club in London, a man walked up behind me and thrusted against me. And when I told him to get the hell away
from me, he moved on to another woman who was too drunk to say the same thing.
I’m angry because when I asked the bouncer to throw him out, he told me I was overreacting. I’m angry that when I decided to stand up for myself, my friends told me I was overreacting.I’m angry because my reaction, my refusal to allow myself to be treated as a subhuman slab of meat, is perceived as an overreaction.
I’m angry because men have a monopoly on anger. Because when I, a woman, am angry, it’s either “cute” or it’s “crazy.” It is never acknowledged that I could be a sensible, intelligent, educated person with a justifiable concern. Of course not. I’m a woman. (And a blonde at that. Strike two!)
If my boyfriend had punched Pelvic Thrust Guy out, he would have been applauded. Whereas my impulse to simply inform PTG that I was displeased with his behavior was met with a chorus of “Just let it go!” “We just don’t want to see you so upset!” “It’s not worth it!”
I’m angry because I was made to feel like I was being unreasonable for expecting to be treated with basic human decency. And PTG just strolled out of that bar without consequence. I cried all night, and he probably spent the rest of the night gleefully groping women who were too afraid or too brainwashed to speak up.
I’m angry because this (and much, MUCH worse) happens every day. And it happens everywhere, from small towns in West Virginia to great cities like London. To me, and to every other woman on the planet. And we’re still not allowed to be angry.
I am angry. And you should be too.”






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January 13, 2016 at 5:20 am
carlalouise89
Reblogged this on The Melodramatic Confessions of Carla Louise and commented:
So true. And why we need feminism.
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January 13, 2016 at 12:41 pm
Jace Wright, The Ignorant Scholar
Anger never helps, in any situation, no matter how cruel.
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January 13, 2016 at 12:49 pm
Jace Wright, The Ignorant Scholar
I definitely know those actions should be punished. It seems like where you lived, people were sexist against women to the extreme. Here, there is hardly and sexism, and almost all of it is boys being rebellious and not really meaning it (they get yelled at it for it, and it is treated as unacceptable), or it is directed at men and boys. Where I live, it’s if a boy gets groped, people brush it off and tell him to let it go, but if somebody gropes a girl, they bring in the police. They also avoid punishing girls, and believe girls when they lie about what boys do. It’s very subtle compared to what’s happened to you, but it still has had a very negative affect on my life.
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January 13, 2016 at 2:22 pm
Mystro
@Jace
“Anger never helps, in any situation, no matter how cruel.”
Anger is an appropriate reaction to an egregious situation. It informs us what is wrong and needs fixing. Anger fuels purpose. Purpose fosters change. Change is necessary for progress. Your statement seems a short-sighted, ill-conceived attempt at pretending to have the moral high ground.
“It seems like where you lived, people were sexist against women ”
If by ‘seems’ you meant ‘as demonstrated by mountainous empirical data’ and by ‘where you lived’ you meant ‘most every human society on the planet’, then that would sound about right.
As to your anecdote, if you were indeed treated unfairly, that is a shame and I wish it weren’t so, but I don’t see how it has any relevance to the topic at hand. Or are you suggesting that your isolated experience somehow takes credence away from a huge social problem?
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January 13, 2016 at 3:01 pm
The Intransigent One
@Jace – That assaults, particularly sexual assaults, by women and girls, against men and boys are taken less seriously than the reverse, is certainly a problem. I would argue that the problem is a patriarchal construct of masculinity in which men are required to be invulnerable. The cure is tearing down patriarchy. More feminism, not less.
I’m really curious though, where is this feminist utopia in which women and girls are automatically believed rather than minimized, gaslighted, blamed and shamed, when they report being harmed by a man?
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January 13, 2016 at 3:13 pm
Miep
Reblogged this on There Are So Many Things Wrong With This.
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January 13, 2016 at 3:16 pm
Miep
Saying “anger never helps” can be construed as a kind of silencing. I would frame this more around considering that one can express one’s anger in different ways.
It’s important to remember that it’s really unhealthy to try to choose not to react to upsetting circumstances. One’s feelings are only too likely to turn inwards and to self-harm.
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January 13, 2016 at 9:38 pm
jasonjshaw
There is a balance though. Expressing unfiltered reactions to upsetting circumstances can bring on negative consequences just as much as always choosing not to react can.
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January 13, 2016 at 9:50 pm
jasonjshaw
When it comes to separations with kids involved (child support, etc.), men seem to automatically get the shorter end of the stick.
More feminism is not the answer. A more balanced feminism that focuses on improving equality on all sides of the gender spectrum would go much further. Revenge feminism serves no one, except maybe the idea of patriarchy, ironically.
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January 13, 2016 at 9:57 pm
The Intransigent One
What the fuck is revenge feminism? More feminism is the answer here because the patriarchal assumption is that women are the ones who are supposed to care for children and nurturing men are an anomaly. Tear down patriarchal assumptions about gender roles, and not only will fathers get custody on their merits – fathers will be more likely to be involved parents who are worthy of custody.
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January 13, 2016 at 11:45 pm
sincitysister
Leave it to men to derail the topic and make it about them. ..
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January 14, 2016 at 4:12 am
carmen
Arb, I hope you don’t mind me putting a link on here – there are a couple who would obviously benefit from reading it. (if they will)
… sigh. . .
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January 14, 2016 at 12:18 pm
sepultura13
Reblogged this on Random Ramblings; Myriad Musings and commented:
I just had to share this…it perfectly explains why I appear to have a “chip on my shoulder!”
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January 15, 2016 at 3:53 am
adeleulnais
Reblogged this on firefly465 and commented:
this is so true and society as a whole needs to recognise how women are still treated.
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January 15, 2016 at 5:10 pm
jasonjshaw
Revenge feminism is when those fighting the oppression of women seek to turn the oppression against men. It’s not a crazy concept, people have a natural tendency for what they would consider as “justice”. People wanting men to experience what women have had to deal with. It’s perfectly understandable that some who associate with feminism would go that far. The trouble is when those who push those boundaries end up redefining what people know feminism to be.
I’ve come across the odd bit here and there now where some women are pushing back against the feminists that take things too far. I think it’s some YouTube feminists that are stirring the pot – I followed some stuff about Anita Sarkeesian for a while. She certainly wasn’t doing feminism many favours.
Same kind of deal with some atheism movements. Some people are taking things way too far.
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January 16, 2016 at 10:53 am
The Arbourist
@JJshaw
The problem with this assertion that it is impossible for the oppressed class to oppress the dominant class. Perhaps what you’re identifying is the slow movement toward just treatment, which as a by-product, decreases the amount of privilege you experience.
Feminism, or the movement to liberate women from the structures of society that oppress them is precisely about pushing boundaries and redrawing limits. Consulting the status-quo as to what are ‘acceptable limits’ is a non-starter.
Tht
I know right? That whole being a woman and having opinions and stuff is just a little too much. I’m curious as to which parts of Sarkeesian you find troubling for feminism. The part where she correctly identifies the sexist tropes that are prevalent in video games? Perhaps the part where she gets threatened with murder and rape because she has the utter temerity to provide critique of video games? What the hell is her problem, indeed.
Eggs must be broken for omelettes to be had.
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January 16, 2016 at 11:52 am
The Arbourist
I’m just gonna leave this here.
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January 16, 2016 at 1:00 pm
jasonjshaw
You might want to consider checking out the YouTuber “thunderf00t”. He uses this thing called evidence to show how Sarkeesian is essentially using the feminist movement and misinformation to line her own pocketbooks. I’m all for women being successful, but it’s not cool in my books for people to put their success on the back of deception and manipulation, regardless of gender.
That’s quite the generalization about the “oppressed class” and “dominant class” you make. That’s the playing of the victim type of stuff that is the problem. There are areas where women are more dominant than men – it’s not the full-on whitewash that you are portraying. That whitewashing that seems to be becoming all too common in the feminist movement is exactly why I, someone who values equality, have difficulty associating with modern feminism.
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January 16, 2016 at 1:26 pm
The Arbourist
@JJshaw
I see. One of the problems that is continually recurring in your arguments is that you are using anti-feminists in your attempt to define what feminism is. Now if that is the most charity you can muster for defining your opinion on feminism, have at it, but realize that outside of MRA circles the opinions cited thus far are considered shit.
Concomitantly, I have yet to see any vitriol of TF making money from patreon or the crowdfunding that he has going on. So he is allowed to line his pocketbooks with shit that you happen to agree with, and AS is not because you don’t agree with her point of view. Crowdfunding is a voluntary act, and if it is to be viewed with the hyperskepticism, it should apply across the board – wouldn’t you agree my egalitarian comrade?
So show me that I am wrong. Show me an example where the oppressed class is, as a class, oppressing the dominant class. Maybe start with the black people in the US and tell me how they are dominating and discriminating against the whites, or here in Canada show me the oppression our First Nations is visiting on the white population.
I’ll wait here while you suss that out.
You know who plays the victim role? Victims, astonishingly enough. You know who says that people ‘play the victim card’? People usually in the dominant class who are either too stupid or too ignorant to fucking grasp the idea that they hold a privileged place in society. And rather than dealing with the discomfort that arises from this fundamental injustice, they make up phrases like “playing the victim card’ to put the blame anywhere else but themselves. Is this you? From what you’ve demonstrated so far here, it certainly seems probable.
Like what? Women dominating in jobs that tend to sexualize and objectifiy them and almost always pay at a lower rate? Perhaps being on the receiving end of violence in society, would that be it? Or would it be the valued female trait of being more rapeable? You’re right, nothing but Win here…
You have no idea Jon Snow, of what equality looks like, even it bit you in the ass. Equality without justice is bunk. Please see the last thread where you faffed on about equality and shit, and please re read my response saying that equality CANNOT exist within the bounds of a fundamentally unequal society.
Society has not changed since we last discussed this, and yet despite the evidence of this fundamental disparity, you go blathering about this Pyrrhic egalitarianism, which really is just the fucking status quo and why you advocate for it is because it currently benefits you at the expense of others.
So what the hell JJshaw, are you here to maybe glean a little info or have we passed into the troll phase?
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January 16, 2016 at 1:27 pm
carmen
Why am I not surprised that you brought Thunderfoot into this conversation? I suggest you do some reading on Dr. Phil Mason, Jason.
If you think that he has one ounce of credibility, you’re obviously too far gone to have a rational conversation with. (I suspected as much, long before this post) . .sigh. . .
Oh, and if Phil Mason is your god, it puts you squarely in the MRA camp.
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January 16, 2016 at 1:58 pm
jasonjshaw
So someone who backs their arguments with facts should be put on the same level as someone who plays on beliefs? Come on, you know better than that.
Any evidence that thunderf00t is anti-feminist? Sounds like more un-backed feminist belief. I thought that with your Sunday Religious Disservice segment that you would be more critical of belief-based arguments.
You know who also plays the victim roll? People who know they can exact revenge by doing so. Not all who claim to be rape victims are indeed rape victims – some will claim to be a rape victim as they know what a negative effect it can have on the wrongfully accused’s life. I know feminism tends to ignore things like this.
I’m sorry, I do not accept the status quo as you so claim. I want to see better equality for all. I believe that doing so through manipulation and misinformation is not a good route to take in doing so, and that it actually slows progress and creates larger divides. That’s what belief systems tend to excel at.
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January 16, 2016 at 2:04 pm
jasonjshaw
Oh, and Sarkeesian correctly identifies sexist tropes in video games? That’s a laugh. She claims strippers are objects, while strippers are essentially using men as cash dispensing machines. Who’s really the object? Strippers, who do so by choice, are the empowered ones in the situation. Only if they are being enslaved to do so, then she would have a point.
But it pays for her to ignore such perspectives. The more women she can paint as victims, the more money she can milk from actual victims.
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January 16, 2016 at 2:13 pm
carmen
Keep talking, JJ. You’re giving all Arb’s readers a look at what goes on in the mind of a misogynist.
It ain’t pretty.
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January 16, 2016 at 2:26 pm
The Arbourist
@JJshaw
Female Objectification.
Oh wow. Prostitution is empowering for women. How about NO.
Should we listen to the flat earthers too? Perhaps we should give geo-centricism another kick at the can. I mean including insipidly wrong information is part of any best practice….
So who are the actual victims of this completely voluntary method of crowdfunding? We may have an emergency here…
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January 16, 2016 at 2:30 pm
The Arbourist
@carmen
*sigh*
Yet again, the comments section of any feminist article belays the absolute necessity of more feminism.
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January 16, 2016 at 2:33 pm
carmen
Arb, I’m 58 years old. I have daughters and granddaughters. I find this terribly wearisome. :(
Not to mention wanting to kick someone’s arse.
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January 16, 2016 at 2:40 pm
jasonjshaw
Evidence please?
Sure, I believe in the rights of both women and men, and those in between genders. Is there a problem with that?
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January 16, 2016 at 2:41 pm
The Arbourist
@Carmen
I hear ya. Although an ass-kicking might impair higher order neurological functions in this case…
You can see why this is still the ‘normal’ in society. One can find this sort of ‘reasoning’ anywhere, devoid of critical thinking, sociological analysis, hell even just plain empathy.
Where do the wires get crossed when one human being says – Stop this thing you’re doing, it’s hurting me – and in reply they inflict even more damage.
Like what is that?
Jebus on a pogo-stick, this isn’t astrophysics, it is basic human compassion.
How do people manage to(repeatedly) so grandly fail?
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January 16, 2016 at 2:48 pm
jasonjshaw
Not sure where your flat-earthers comment comes it, they seem to have more in common with modern feminism. I was actually thinking more along the lines of Creationists though – they tend to suppress discussion much like Sarkeesian has a tendency to do. The arguments for modern feminism you are putting forward in supporting misinformation reminds me a lot about tactics the Conservative Party of Canada has recently employed. I am surprised that you would be supportive of such tactics. I guess when they are in support of what you believe in, it’s another story.
The victims are the women who have been affected by gender inequalities. Modern feminism is a call to emotions, much like religion, with an aversion to alternate perspectives and evidence.
So in your comment about prostitution you are saying women shouldn’t have a choice as to what they do with their bodies? That’s interesting.
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January 16, 2016 at 2:50 pm
The Arbourist
@JJshaw
That statement devoid of class analysis is meaningless.
Anatole France said this – “In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.”
Now.
Full Stop.
Read the above quote.
Stop again.
Contemplate what it says about equality.
Contemplate what it says about social class.
Stop again.
Contemplate how equality might not be so equal for everyone involved.
Contemplate how that equality divorced from other societal factors is the turgidly prolix-y way of saying one supports the status quo.
Contemplate further about telling people how awesome equality is to people who understand the quote above.
Contemplate doing more homework on what you’re trying to say.
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January 16, 2016 at 2:51 pm
jasonjshaw
Maybe you mean what goes on in the mind of misandrists disguised as feminists?
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January 16, 2016 at 2:52 pm
carmen
I had a moment of head-in-hands, OMG-how-do-people-GET-like-this? But I remind myself that all the men in my life – those I work with, socialize with, the ones in my family – are all compassionate, decent, well-adjusted individuals; I’m surrounded by feminists. I feel certain that if any of them were reading this thread they’d feel the same, ‘what’s wrong with this guy?’ response I feel.
JJ, I wish I could feel sorry for you. But there’s no excuse for willful ignorance. Please do enlighten yourself.
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January 16, 2016 at 2:53 pm
jasonjshaw
Not sure how you get equality out of that, but okay, whatever floats your boat. You have to look at the bigger picture and all of the balances at play.
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January 16, 2016 at 7:09 pm
The Arbourist
@JJshaw
Whoops, misandry doesn’t exist. Nice thought though.
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January 16, 2016 at 7:17 pm
jasonjshaw
Willful ignorance? I asked for evidence of your claims, I am willing to listen to evidence. I don’t jump on board with things because they give me good feels. I need logic and facts, and I welcome many perspectives. I also am willing to admit when I am incorrect in my assessments. That’s partly why I question things.
I welcome you to invite your well-adjusted individuals that you are surrounded by to read and share their thoughts about this thread.
I’ve been a long-time supporter of women in the music industry, an industry that does suffer from male dominance. I’m no fool to the issues, and I’m no opponent to women. What I am an opponent to is troublesome and faulty logic, especially that which arises in belief systems whether religious or otherwise.
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January 16, 2016 at 7:19 pm
The Arbourist
@JJshaw
Not supporting your arguments with evidence means that, most likely, you are pulling things from your posterior. I’m starting to see the conflation of “things I don’t like” with “misinformation”.
So which parts of critical feminist theory are a call to emotion? You obviously have a problem with the version of feminism you have in your mind, where, back here in the reality, do said criticisms apply? Specifically which authors, axioms and propositions do you see lacking? Because right now it sounds like you are regurgitating what Dr.Phil has said about feminism – and his lack of knowledge and charity toward the topic is well known.
I’m sure it is. The problem is that support of the Nordic Model to combat prostitution in our society is about putting the johns in jail and helping the women exit the world of prostitution. Quote different than the gotcha you seem to formulating.
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January 16, 2016 at 8:07 pm
The Arbourist
@JJshaw
Absolutely. Along with a big heaping of confirmation bias. But hey I might be wrong. So here we go.
Patriarchy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchy
https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?hl=en&q=Patriarchy&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=
https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=Origin+of+Patriarchy&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5
Class Analysis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_analysis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx#Economy.2C_history.2C_and_society
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-component_theory_of_stratification
Feminist Theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_Theory:_From_Margin_to_Center
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_feminism
White Male Privilege
http://amptoons.com/blog/the-male-privilege-checklist/
https://xyfeminist.wordpress.com/the-male-privilege-list/
So, evidence provided. Ready for you to logic it right up. Enjoy the reading, as you have said and I quote, “I am willing to listen to evidence.”.
Okay, sources listed are from general to more specific. Go git’em tiger.
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January 16, 2016 at 8:17 pm
jasonjshaw
Evidence of its existence:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misandry
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misandry
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January 16, 2016 at 8:38 pm
jasonjshaw
Evidence: see thunderf00t. He’s got volumes of it. I can Google a video of his if it is too difficult for you.
I don’t know much about Dr. Phil, but the one-dimensionalness of a lot of feminist things I’ve seen (though mostly Sarkeesian-related nonsense) – complaining about how things are but not offering much in the way of practical solutions – is quite telling of a problematic viewpoint. Of course not all of feminism is that far off-track, but it is a visible portion.
So, again, you are saying we should limit what women can do with their body. For sure there should be a support system in place for those who do not want to be involved in prostitution, but I don’t agree with full prohibition. Just as I don’t agree with prohibition of abortion, drugs, etc. etc. I believe in control and connection rather than prohibition. I believe people should have the right to be able to make an informed choice.
But nice try in talking around your desire to control the choices of women.
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January 16, 2016 at 8:46 pm
jasonjshaw
Ah, the good ol’ overwhelm with reading material in order to silence a critic technique. A classic belief system defence manoeuvre.
So in fairness, you will watch every single thunderf00t video in regard to Sarkeesian?
And it is quite amusing that you suggest I am the one with confirmation bias. I’m not the one here promoting a totally one-sided argument.
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January 16, 2016 at 8:53 pm
jasonjshaw
Again, I don’t oppose feminism. I did a search for “feminism” and Google brought me this definition:
Feminism is a range of movements and ideologies that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve equal political, economic, cultural, personal, and social rights for women. This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment.
Feminism is supposed to be about achieving equality, no? I get the sense that your definition of feminism is bloated beyond this concept.
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January 16, 2016 at 9:05 pm
The Arbourist
@JJshaw
I arranged those in order of complexity. If wikipedia is “overwhelming” there is more than just your problems with feminism going on here.
Are watching video’s the same as reading scholarly work? Really? – And let us stay on track, as you asked for evidence of feminism – I have no doubt that the misogyny of Dr.Phil exists.
I’m actually not promoting a one sided argument, I’m doing my best to show how wrong you are, it’s a little different.
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January 16, 2016 at 9:22 pm
jasonjshaw
Ah, Dr. Phil is thunderf00t. Gotcha. Still waiting on evidence on his supposed misogyny.
If you’re trying to show how wrong I am, a women-can-do-no-wrong-to-men approach is not a very good method. Women are just as capable of discrimination as men are. Maybe less capable of carrying it out in some situations, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be and isn’t done.
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January 17, 2016 at 5:56 am
carmen
JJ – I took a look around your blog. You keep your toxic attitude about feminists in check there, I see.
However, Arb’s blog has a wide audience; your reputation as a Thunderfoot disciple probably won’t add much to your credibility.
Arb, good try but, as I read on another blog, you can lead a person to knowledge but you can’t make ’em think.
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January 17, 2016 at 9:01 am
The Arbourist
@JJshaw
I will most certainly provide evidence – the real question is will it make a difference? Because, rationally and logically speaking, when presented with evidence that proves to be a more accurate picture of the truth, said evidence will be adopted.
1. Targeting Women on the Internet. :
2. Featured on A Voice for Men. Thus endorsed by AVFM, who are rabidly misogynistic, hate group. A little quote describing AVFM:
Yea so MRA’s approve of Dr.Phil’s message. That should be enough right there.
3. From the Rational Wiki On TF’s actions and mischaracterizations –
4. Inciting hate against women online –:
5. From the Daily Kos – “But it is obvious that Mason/thunderf00t is willing to throw 20 people under the bus, if it means neutralizing an adversary to his misogynist polemics (for which Mason gets paid nearly $3,500 per video.) And it’s obvious that these online hate mobs are willing to hurt anybody connected to Mason’s enemies, even if their only crime is guilt by association.
Do. I. Need. To. Go. On?
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January 17, 2016 at 9:21 am
The Arbourist
@JJshaw
This. Exactly this. It is because you hold onto to the erroneous assumption that Women and Men experience society roughly the same that we keep going over the same material.
I’m not really sure what else to do because repeatedly demonstrating how this notion is false seems to have no effect on you.
No shit.
That isn’t the point.
The point is that because the way society is structured discrimination works differently depending on which social class you inhabit.
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January 17, 2016 at 9:40 am
The Arbourist
@JJshaw
And given that the theoretical base of Feminism stretches back to the 1870’s (and a earlier) do you think that a dictionary definition is going to apt in adequately describing such a field of study? Do you think it is enough to start making pronouncements and judgements about what it stands for and what it’s goals are?
Would you do this with Astrophysics? Or how about Cultural Relativism or Acculturation, or Dalit Consciousness? What’s your take on Durkheim’s view of Dalit Consciousness?
The point I’m making is this: the arguments you present betray a fundamental lack of knowledge about feminism – you don’t know the texts, the seminal works, the key authors. You’re basing your analysis mostly on what the opponents of feminism say and not what the critical body of feminist work actually says. Thus, you’re arguing against your own distortions – ones that you won’t give up apparently – so little progress can be made.
The choice now lies with you, because I can’t force you to become more knowledgeable about this topic. I just can’t. Learning about new things is tough. Learning about new things that challenge your worldview is *really* tough and if you’re not in a position to let this process happen (for whatever reason) then we need to leave things where they are and stop wasting electrons on a task that cannot be completed.
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January 17, 2016 at 9:43 am
The Arbourist
@Carmen
Thanks I think I’m good now. :) Sometimes SIWOTI gets best of me.
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January 17, 2016 at 9:57 am
carmen
On second thought, “good” isn’t the best modifier. “Valiant”, “insightful”, and “superb” would be better descriptions of your efforts here.
You ROCK. :)
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January 17, 2016 at 10:16 am
The Arbourist
@Carmen
*blush* Thanks. :)
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