Fascinating stuff.
“So I went onto Essex University campus and I meet the pornographer on the train and we politely say hello. This is a man who has produced porn for years, has given awards to porn sites such as ExploitedAfricans.com, which completely pornifies women coming from the Congo on boats, that have to be fucked by anyone because they’ve got no choice, because they’ve got no papers. There is another one which is a parody of the John Worboys taxi rapist… And this man’s given awards to these porn sites and I’m there getting ready to debate him and we are walking through campus and I see this rag-bag group of students who’d obviously got up a bit late to meet me at the actual campus gates, shouting and screaming “transphobe,” “violent,” “phobic” this, “phobic” that, at me. And I thought, well, we are living in Orwellian times as wall as McCarthyite times. Because in what way is this pornographer, walking through this campus, with no dissent and no concern at all from these so-called feminists and pro-feminist students, and I’m being screamed at.
And there you have it. That is the climate in which we are living.
So whatever your view is on the sex industry, on gender, on anything — there’s only one side being screamed down, and that’s the feminist side. I don’t mean the fun feminists — the pole-dancing-is-the-new-way-to-liberation feminists — I mean the feminists like me: miserable, hard-faced, going on about men being abusers all the time…
Now we have an absolute phobia about debate. There seems to be a view that there is a right not to be offended. The fact that we can be offended (which I am at least a hundred times a day) is now being seen as violence, so that we experience it as internalized violence and we are triggered and we are traumatized. In fact, I am my own trigger warning — I found an article with the trigger warning, “Julie Bindel.”
The conclusion of the article below the fold.
So what do we do?
I think that the tide is starting to turn because younger or newer feminists are realizing that they now have no opportunity to learn from the rest of us and we, in turn, are not able to learn from newer and younger feminists. Because we are not allowed to be in each others spaces, each others campuses, even each others living rooms and say, “What do you think about that? Why do you think that sex work can be liberating?”
And they are not able to say to me, “What evidence do you have that the legalization of the sex industry has failed?” And we’re not able to talk about gender any more, which was the basis of socialism and feminism when we looked at how capitalism wielded families and wielded patriarchy. So it’s really harmful to the left as well as feminism, in general.
And the left now has this weird Orwellian view where everything is topsy turvy: The sex trade is empowering to women (in what way does capitalism not come into this?). That obviously there’s a male brain and a female brain… (In what way are you pro-equality if you think that we are different but equal? When people said that about black people and white people there was an outcry, and rightly so.) That the full-face veil is not in any way a symbol of oppression to women, when there are women in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, elsewhere who are saying, “Stop marching with these crazy fundamentalists who are fascists and support us.”
So the left has become, in a way, the new right and that’s why I talk about neoliberalism. We have no consistency within the left anymore because we have been battered down to take the view that anyone who says, “Me, me, me — I’m a Muslim woman and I have the right to do this. Me, me me — I’m a sex worker. Me, me, me — I’m a trans woman who knows I was born in the wrong body.”
We have no right, now, to challenge that orthodoxy. And this is what the left is built on. So unless we actually start to chip away at that — to challenge it and to be brave enough to stand up and disagree with it, then this will effect a damn sight more than me and a few others that are the targets, radical feminism in general, and the left in total. Because the right wing — I see this all online — they are laughing at us. (I mean they are writing some actually quite good and funny stuff about this whole nonsense, you know, “The Stepford Students,” etc.) They are absolutely laughing all the way to the election because we have been disabled by fear and by bullying and by this monolithic, crazy, view that what is actually oppressive is the new liberation.




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February 16, 2016 at 8:07 am
violetwisp
Julie Bindel, who says:
“I don’t have a problem with men disposing of their genitals, but it does not make them women, in the same way that shoving a bit of vacuum hose down your 501s does not make you a man.”
She’s high profile, in the press, on TV. People recognise her instantly. A famous person who promotes ideas that harm marginalised groups is likely to receive more feedback in public than someone that no-one has ever heard of. It’s not a like for like situation. And it’s kind of odd she’s pretending it is, simply to make her point.
Obviously, she doesn’t deserve to be physically attacked or threatened, but I totally understand where the anger comes from.
But also I do agree there’s an imbalance in terms of the negative, vitriolic feedback people receive and their place on the scale of relative harm. Women are on the receiving end of ridiculous backlash that men often escape.
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February 16, 2016 at 9:51 am
The Arbourist
@VW
Agreed. One needs to look only as far as to the supposed luminaries of the atheist set to see what you describe in action.
Sam Harris – His comments about muslims and Islam. He can write some drippy logorrhetic apolgia and everyone is peaches and cream.
Christopher Hitchens – abandons sanity and endorses the Iraq invaision – continues to write and publicly speak. No problem for him .
Dawkins – anything he says on twitter… *facepalm* and people are still fine with him.
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February 16, 2016 at 10:39 am
VR Kaine
“And there you have it. That is the climate in which we are living.”
Violetwisp, great point. I read this statement and thought exactly your comments. It seemed like an attempt early on to artificially inflate a situation in order to make her (weak?) point.
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February 16, 2016 at 11:38 am
tildeb
Here it is again: the greatest crime is to point out the crime while the criminals walk without repercussion and divert attention by simply saying they having hurt feelings.
I’ll say it again: this is the greatest fascist threat to the inherent freedoms our society faces and it’s coming from those who should be natural allies to causes of secularism and humanism and enemies of totalitarianism. It’s seeping into whatever the Left touches and it’s being led by everyone who thinks being offended reveals some kind of victimization. meanwhile, the real problems – the ones antithetical to those enlightenment values of tolerance and respect upon which our society is founded – are excused, rationalized, respected and then tolerated in the name of respect and tolerance.
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February 16, 2016 at 1:25 pm
Emma
Piggybacking on this post and others of late, I’d like to ask:
What is the end game, as it were, for RF, in terms of the social order and political organization?
This seems particularly important and unclear to me after reading the Vienna/Hamburg manifesto you, Arb, posted recently, where young feminists agitate for implementation of the Marxism-Leninism-Maoism ideals, and I, who lived through the results of that implementation, want to scream “Noooo!”
I wonder if these are very young people ignorant of the past (and present: see North Korea and how well women fare there) or maybe people who don’t like women at all and use these slogans to subvert feminism for whatever their own political gains may be.
Or maybe I’m missing something obvious (and not).
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February 16, 2016 at 6:58 pm
storyending
I’d argue that young women have always been mostly ignorant of women’s past because women’s history has always been erased by men. And we can see that the men are getting more violent about enforcing this through various means as we try harder to put our stamp on history.
We’ve never been allowed to learn from each other in a paradigm-changing way.
Personally, I can’t see an effective social order – one where women are allowed to exist fully and make and learn their own history and not face death and sex-based harm – where men are allowed to be involved/exist. Most people don’t see it that way and as we can see nothing has changed, even with political change.
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February 16, 2016 at 7:59 pm
The Arbourist
@Emma
The endgame is place where women can be free of the depredations of patriarchy in all of its guises. It would be a permanent 24 hour truce from rape, it would be the very start of what any sort of real egalitarian society would have to look like. Gender would be a thing, people could just be who they want without repercussion. A nice thought anyways.
The tools that marxists use are valuable in analysis of class struggle and the situation of women. I could never advocate for the totalitarian brands of communism and socialism that we have seen in the past.
In my ideal socialist utopia I would like to think would end up looking something like Iceland or the other Scandinavian countries – their governments seem to realize that their must be a balance between the needs of the people and the needs of the capitalist class.
That is a safe assumption, until proven otherwise.
I don’t think so. :)
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February 16, 2016 at 8:08 pm
The Arbourist
@storyending
Agreed. How many brilliant accomplishments of women have been stolen by men, any analysis of the history of scientific discover quickly reveals this disgusting pattern. :(
It is purposeful manipulation on the part of the dominant class. Deprived of the historical background necessary to see and understand the patriarchal model in action, each new generation must start anew, thus little progress is made.
Welcome to DWR, thank you for the insightful comment.
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February 16, 2016 at 8:48 pm
storyending
Cheers, and thank you for your blog.
There is that saying (which I’ll paraphrase) that each generation tends or is doomed to repeat its mistakes. Of course all sayings are missing a feminist perspective, and I find myself constantly revising them to take this into account. And here’s my take on that one:
Men repeat their mistakes because they find their purpose through violence. If they stopped their mistakes (their violence), they’d have nothing to do. Thus they are complicit in repetition and perpetuation. Women, on the other hand, repeat their mistakes – believing in and supporting men – because their history has not been preserved and true information has been denied them. They work and work for the good of society only to have men steal the output, reap the benefits, and bury the truth. They are doomed to repeat because they are not in control. And in this way, the cycle goes on, and will continue to go on.
Okay, so my revisions aren’t short and catchy, but at least they are closer to the truth.
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February 16, 2016 at 10:55 pm
Cindy
Actually, Dawkins was just dis-invited from the NECSS conference because he pissed off identarians who are mad that he re-tweeted a satirical video that mocked the libfems who side with rapist migrants over their female victims
Check out this:
https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2016/02/17/man-undresses-in-front-of-girls-in-seattle-locker-room-cites-gender-identity-regulation/?replytocom=66862#respond
If you oppose this kind of bullshit, expect to be called a transphobe and be no platformed.
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February 17, 2016 at 6:13 am
VR Kaine
Who would ever side with rapist migrants? Amazing. There are “Libfems” that side with rapist migrants you say? Wow. Once again, FSL ideology punching a big hole in common sense which evil-doers exploit and use to reap havoc on the innocent that conveniently, FSL’s never have to pay for.
I made a case for how they can’t handle their “colliding ideals” in the past and it appears to be happening again. Example: FSL’s say they hate men who oppress and abuse women, so you would think that they’d hate the Taliban, ISIS, and Radical Islam, but no. They see America and Christianity as the greater evil, so instead they’ll side with the Taliban for what they want to think America has done to them (and in turn giving their anti-woman ways a free pass), and demand that a bunch of Syrian refugee men who hate women – i.e. criminals and rapists – be let in unscreened because they supposedly deserve a break from what oppression (American or Syrian) has done to them. How ridiculous. If Dawkins is against this and is making fun of the stupidity of it (and them), then I’m with Dawkins and good on him for showcasing their idiocy.
Honest question: “No-platformed” – is that the new word now for not being allowed to speak? Thinking so, but just making sure – I’ve just started seeing it.
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February 17, 2016 at 9:38 am
Cindy
@Vr Kaine
Oppression Olympics. That’s how they do it. Their is a hierarchy, and whoever is the most oppressed is 1) always right 2) you cannot question them because of their ‘lived experience 3) if an oppressed person/group harms another, it’s punching up,ergo ok 4) a group that is less oppressed cannot ridicule the more oppressed group (even satirically) because that is punching down.
I have seen libfems blame the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists for their own murders. Why? Because even if it was satire, it was still ‘punching down’, ergo, what were the poor disenfanchised Islamists to do but punch up by murdering them?
Criticizing the practise of FGM is also considered punching down and therefore wrong. Yes, I have seen libfems defend FGM. They state that it should be legal, and practised in our Western Hospitals, in order to prevent families from taking their daughters overseas. They also state that calling it ‘mutilation’ is wrong because it will hurt the feelings of the person who has had their entire labia removed!!
Now, oppressed people are “always right” unless of course they DISAGREE with your libfem ideology. In which case, people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Maajid Nawaz, Maryam Namazi Eiynah are branded ‘white supremacists’ ‘porch monkeys’ and oppressors. http://www.cbc.ca/radio/the180/unheard-muslim-voices-banning-dangerous-dogs-and-a-plea-for-plain-language-1.3393360/speaking-up-for-unheard-muslim-and-ex-muslim-voices-1.3394359
Did you know that Maryam Namazie was going to give a talk at Goldsmiths University and that the Muslim student group tried to no-platform her because they claimed that she made them feel unsafe? The LGBT and FEMSOC at Goldsmiths *sided with the Islamists*. The lovely thing? The Islamists claimed that Namazie made them feel unsafe, yet a few months prior they had invited a speaker who endorsed the BEHEADING of apostates like Namazie. Oh, and the leader of the Islamic student group frequently tweeted virulent anti-gay sentiments.
This theory of oppression olympics lacks nuance. It lacks all critical thought. And if you criticize any aspect of it, you are an oppressor. I was banned from Love Joy Feminism because I simply asked if it was good public policy to let men, with intact penises no less, into women’s changerooms/bathrooms/DV shelters based on nothing but *claimed gender identity* (which means no SRS, just claiming you are a woman cuz you feel like one. Google Stefonknee Wolscht, VarmintCoyote and Danielle Muscato. All ‘women’ with beards and dicks). What if some of these men rape and or perv at women? I was informed that it was ok if a few women are raped per year in order to protect trans women from being harmed in men’s bathrooms. And that women rape just as much as men so why am I being so picky?
In fact, the ‘everyone rapes equally’ argument was introduced when the libfems were valiantly defending the Cologne rapists. And then another came along and said that mass rape isn’t unheard of in Germany cuz hey, WW2, so why are you making a big deal about flash mobs of 30 migrant men dragging women off into corners, surrounding them, and gangraping them?
Now, the reason that they hate Dawkins is because he points out the lack of nuance re oppression olympics. He pissed them off a few years ago with Dear Muslima, when he pointed out that western feminists such as Rebecca Watson spend *all* of their time worrying about things like men asking for coffee in elevators, vs doing anything about FGM and other horrific crimes against women. Now, he wasn’t saying that we should ignore first world problems all together. He was saying, get some perspective.
I agree with him. Look at the upset over rocket scientist Matt Taylor’s shirt. Now, it can be argued that the shirt, with sexy rockabilly women = casual sexism. Fine. It’s a first world problem, and we should be free to criticize it. But the libfems went ballistic. They tore him a new one. They raked the poor guy across the coals. Thousands of blog posts and tweets were went out immediately. He was made out by many to be the Hitler of sexism.
And how, how did the libfems react to the Cologne rapes? It took the libfem blogs that I read 1-2 weeks to come up with something,and then that something was all about how Islamic rapists are not really to blame, it’s just that they are disenfranchised, that white men rape just as much if not more, that Muslim men only treat women like actual animals because white men get away with rape all of the time yadda yadda.
You will also notice that most of the libfems are young. They have never dealt with real oppression like the radfems. People who are critical of SJWs like to conflate radfems and libfems, but the groups are different. They are also elite. They are not the people who are going to be raped by gangs of migrant men. They are often privileged college students, going to elite schools. They don’t truly give a shit about inequality. They just want to signal how virtuous they are by punishing others for wrongthink.
I like the radfems. I may not agree with them on everything, but they are willing to discuss issues, and not ban you for not being 200% ideologically pure and questioning certain things.
Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to explain what I have *observed* over 3 years of reading libfem blogs.
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February 17, 2016 at 11:41 am
Emma
@Cindy:
This kind of PC ran amok, based on ignorance and authoritarian* — but always “well meaning,” of course — intolerance, is why people who are feminists or allies may come down with the “feminist fatigue” (don’t recall who coined that phrase, but it fits).
*The leftists can be as authoritarian as their right-wing counterparts. That’s one of the reasons why the gung-ho uncritical endorsement of the Marxism-Leninism-Maoism by young feminists is worrisome. The dictatorship of the proletariat (or femitariat) is still a dictatorship.
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February 20, 2016 at 11:08 am
VR Kaine
No need to apologize for the longer blog post, Cindy (as you’ll tell I’m guilty of it often myself!) Very informative – thank you!
My jaw is on the floor each time I read this. “It’s ok for a few women to be raped to protect trans men” Seriously? And defending Muslim rapists as though it’s a white patriarchy problem? Give me a f–king break!
Incredible. I realize this whole thing is a movement, and as such it’s going to go through trials and revisions of both thought and behavior but wow – where some of these people are starting from amazes me. And you bring up a great point – most comments seem to be by those who are the most disconnected from the actual battlefield. That is a criticism I’ve levied myself many times on not just this but other subjects (such as Capitalism) as well.
At any rate, I greatly appreciate the time and effort to share this. We likely won’t be agreeing with everything each of us posts here, but I wanted to say with this one at least that it was greatly appreciated and well-received. Thank you once again, and keep up the good fight!
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February 20, 2016 at 11:28 am
Cindy
Required reading:
http://goddoesnt.blogspot.ca/2016/01/regressive-left-wing-authoritarianism.html
http://goddoesnt.blogspot.ca/2016/01/an-ideologues-handbook-easy-guide-for.html
http://goddoesnt.blogspot.ca/2016/01/ophobophobia-and-religion-of-regressive.html
Another thing that has bothered me is how the trans activists have essentially *othered* the radfems.
Think about it. Really really think about it.
Radfems are accused of genocide for not wanting to be raped in dv shelters by ‘women’ like this: http://www.torontosun.com/2014/02/26/predator-who-claimed-to-be-transgender-declared-dangerous-offender
Lesbians who will not have PIV sex with trans women and their ‘girlpeens’ are also guilty of murder. Yes, lesbians who refuse to validate the feelz of trans women, to acknowledge that the penis is female, are committing murder, driving MTT to suicide.
All of this constant rhetoric, painting the radfems as ‘worse than Hitler’ has the effect of dehumanizing them. It makes any violence against them totally acceptable, the equivalent of squashing a cockroach (yes, I am referencing the Rwanda genocide). Why would you feel any remorse regarding the killing of cockroaches, they are no good, right?
I ‘troll’ various libfem blogs and I paste the rantings of the pro-trans allies and the violent misogyny from MTT tw.
Here is one such example:
I am glad that the radfems and other leftists are coming out against the victimhood culture that has been created by pomo third wave ‘feminists’.
Over the last few months it has mainly been the rightwingers who have criticized these fools. Why must I read Breitbar to hear anything critical of these entitled brats?
BTW, they are now attacking Michael Nugent, because he used the wrong word:
http://www.michaelnugent.com/2016/02/19/trans-misogynist/
http://www.michaelnugent.com/2016/02/15/outrageous-smear/#comments
Michael isn’t ‘pure’ enough for them, so they are attacking him over minor things, in an effort to signal their virtue.
They are no different than the religionists that we actively debate.
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February 20, 2016 at 11:31 am
Cindy
Did my comment go into moderation?
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February 20, 2016 at 11:52 am
The Arbourist
@Cindy
Too many hyper links, I have the limit set at 4 I think.
Fetched post from moderation. :)
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February 29, 2016 at 3:10 pm
VR Kaine
Amazing. Well the whole thing is way above my weight class but I do appreciate reading all the different points of view. Again, thanks for clarifying.
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