Free speech is a large part of the basis of our democratic society. The issue is popping up much more frequently now in Canadian Society as it would seem that certain opinions have been deemed ‘untouchable’ and thus must be avoided or cancelled within the public sphere.
What I don’t understand is why so much of the Canadian political left has completely fumbled the ball on this issue. If you have a counter argument or refutation of Jordan Peterson’s views then bring those views to the public sphere and criticize his arguments. Demonstrate where they fall short, or where they are just plain wrong – but do it with evidence and coherent arguments – not just banning Peterson from speaking.
Banning and cancelling people should, and I repeat should, raise serious concerns on the Left asrestriction of personal liberties and speech are positions that the Left once defended (I imagine the classical Liberals still do, the activists not so much).
So, disagree with JP? Awesome. Bring your arguments to the table and show where he’s wrong. But for heaven sake, don’t stop him from speaking.
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February 10, 2023 at 4:26 pm
Briandundas64@yahoo.ca
You have no idea what you are talking about.
How has JP been canceled when he quit his tenured job, has a huge megaphone, and probably rakes in millions a year.
Canceling is what your right wing pals are doing in FLA banning a book that dares to mention Roberto Clemente suffered racism with in the 50’s and 60’s MLB.
You have sucked up the Nazi cool aid and it is … sad. Just very sad. Bless you.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/2/10/2152345/–The-Relentless-Attack-on-Trans-People-Is-an-Attack-on-All-of-Us-Jamelle-Bouie-at-the-NYT?utm_campaign=recent
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February 10, 2023 at 7:57 pm
The Arbourist
@Brian
Then I imagine then you would engage with the parts of the post that you disagree with, and not make broad inaccurate generalizations…
Regardless of who it is whether it be JP or JT – the notion that we should prohibit individuals from speaking in public in our society *should* be troubling to all of the Left, not just the classically liberal section. Freedom of speech is a good portion what makes our society liberal, open, and democratic.
An amazing case of whataboutism you have there, along with the now bog standard guilt-by-association.
It must be nice for that everyone that happens to disagree with magically becomes a “Nazi”. Fun times. Next time, please try and make a relevant argument because frankly, name calling and attempted shaming is boring AF.
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February 10, 2023 at 8:19 pm
Briandundas64@yahoo.ca
There is literally nothing specific in the post to engage with!!!!!!!!!!
Bari Wiess, Andrew Sullivan, Jordan Peterson… etc. are professional victims dismayed that their vile hatred, bolstered shamefully by you, is being called out. History has been filled with the shunned. You call it woke. It’s actually the culture.
If you notice, they never, nor did you in your post mention specifics at all. Not saying there are none because the left does over reach, and I hate that shit. But, it’s mostly petty stuff (read one today about a guy saying give Karen’s a break and stop using the term)
Nothing like they haters in whose ring youve toss your hat in with in the name of feminism.
Im a feminist. I do not see how my support of conflicted trans people and LGBTQ folks means I hate women. There are still women and let them roar!!!! What am I missing here? I just don’t want my gay son to feel he has to kill himself, OK?
The three mentioned above are doing quite well thank you. Not in the least have they been “cancelled”, as evidenced by their continued access to the NYT opinion pages and making copious amounts of money. If that is canceled, please, I beg of you, cancel.me!! Please cancel me!!
I would love to have a dialogue with you but you never mention specifics. It’s always right wing defined grand picture meaningless words like “woke” or discussions of JP without actually engaging in a particular thesis of his.
Lazy.
I suspect your better than this.
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February 10, 2023 at 9:00 pm
The Arbourist
@Brian
Erm… start here – “The issue is popping up much more frequently now in Canadian Society as it would seem that certain opinions have been deemed ‘untouchable’ and thus must be avoided or cancelled within the public sphere.”
Which arguments and proposals of those whom you mentioned do you disagree with, and why? I ask for specifics because the activist Left often has great difficulty in stating what they are actually talking about – JK Rowling is a prime example, as she has been falsely accused of ‘transphobia’ with no actual evidence of her engaging in such actions.
The erasure of females in our society, along with their rights and boundaries in the name of transgender ideology is hardly ‘petty stuff’. Same with the attempted destabilization of children by exposing them to inappropriate themes and materials in school – DQSH et cetera. Again, not petty stuff, but rather controversial stuff that requires a nuanced debate regarding the appropriateness of such activities for children.
There are currently trans identified males – convicted of rape – in female prisons here in Canada. Why are these rapists in female prisons – because gender identity which has as about as much scientific worth as astrology and horoscopes is somehow taken seriously in our society.
This adoption of gender-magic came into being essentially without debate. It is a grave mistake that will see significant pushback from Canadian society once they see past the doublespeak and salesmanship of the gender ideologues. See the trajectory the UK is on. Gender ideology has never had a leg to stand on, and what is happening over there will happen here, it is only a matter of time.
Suicidal ideation is a very serious mental issue. I hope you have sought counseling and psychological supports for him and your family.
I would put forward that their is a certain level of fame/notoriety present in each of the cases mentioned, that they can ignore the threats and hyperbolic nonsense the activist Left uses to try and cancel people. I would also argue that the bar is quite high for one not to be afraid of public repercussions for simply speaking one’s mind. Average people have much more to lose as they have little recourse when they decide to oppose the radical notions put forth by the activist Left – whose first tendencies are personal attacks, doxxing, and attempting to get people removed from their livelihoods – *rather than* actually engaging and debating them.
Demonstrated by yourself so far in this thread – “Canceling is what your right wing pals are doing…” or “You have sucked up the Nazi cool aid…” and “Nothing like they haters in whose ring youve toss your hat in with”…
Honestly, you don’t know me or my motivations past what I’ve written here on my blog, which I’ve been writing for the last nine years or so, but my move away from the banal activist left toward a more centrist classically liberal viewpoint is a fair distance from being ‘right-wing or a Nazi”. *shrugs* It won’t matter to you, but I state that for the record.
I’m very specific when I use the word “woke” it almost always refers to the radical activist left that is eroding the Canadian polity and Canadian society.
For more clarity – https://youtu.be/hSJwpbayuqE
Doubtful, but I guess we shall see.
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February 10, 2023 at 9:17 pm
bleatmop
The days of “I may disagree with what you say but I would fight to my last breath to defend your right to say it” are long gone. That classic Liberal viewpoint is no longer in the domain of the contemporary left. Nor is it now or ever been in the purview of the right. Now that both sides of the political spectrum are stamping out freedom of expression and free speech I feel even more justified in believing that we are past peak civilization.
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February 10, 2023 at 11:05 pm
Briandundas64@yahoo.ca
I apologize for getting riled up in anger. It’s a downfall of mine I’m trying to get a handle on. But Im 58 and… well, still some hope!.
I would just hope that you could frame your posts around specifics, not general right wing talking points. Give us the person who has been canceled and why. The full story. Then it can be discussed. Avoid meaningless loaded political rhetorical terms like woke, which is just the newly marketed PC, which itself was the remarkedted term for acceptance and respect for all people and acceptance of different races and religions and orientations.
Please do so because it will be a more valuable discussion for the world if you cite specifics.
I don’t mind differences of opinion. In fact, there are times when the left majorly oversteps it’s bounds and that ticks me off.
Pales in comparison to the insane right, though. Really does.
Best to you and keep up the fight. We must protect women. With you on that. It goes without saying. If trans women are killing women in prison that is an issue to be explored. I know of no lefty (but there are bad uncles/aunts in every family) who would argue against that. Personally, I have issues with trans women playing sports with women. I do. I think science can figure it out, though.
Anyway, apologies. Please cite specifics. And promoting the majorly questionable views of right wing grifters does your argument tremendous harm.
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February 11, 2023 at 8:53 am
The Arbourist
@ bleatmop
I think its the bastion of our society that we cannot let fall. Freedom of thought and expression (speech) are a large part of what makes our society free and democratic.
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February 17, 2023 at 8:17 am
bleatmop
I think you replied to me but I’m not the author of this post.
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