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Sociological Images always has something disturbing or depressing. Today is a little of both.
“This also nicely illustrates male privilege in the last panel, and how the worst problems with street harassment often don’t come from the men on the street harassing you – but rather from the prevailing attitudes among society/other men that it’s something you should welcome.”
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9 comments
September 9, 2010 at 8:54 am
Bleatmop
Wow, great illustration. I should really start visiting that site again.
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September 12, 2010 at 11:21 pm
IzaakMak
Well done!
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October 18, 2010 at 8:28 am
aussieinengland
It is actually so sad and so very true that it makes me want to cry from sheer frustration.
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October 18, 2010 at 10:57 am
Vern R. Kaine
A less slanted commentary on the subject (discarding the political rhetoric):
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/10/16/bill-maher-uses-brett-favres-penis-sexting-bash-sarah-palin-and-white
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October 18, 2010 at 1:47 pm
The Arbourist
Err…thanks Vern, but really Bill Mahr and Sara Palin? How does that sensational story even apply?
Do you not find it a touch ironic that you consider this piece “slanted” and then provide a link to a conservative site?
The media, in general has a strong conservative right wing bias. Adding a link to a site that goes after ‘left wing bias’ is really quite silly. :)
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October 18, 2010 at 1:49 pm
The Arbourist
Understandable. The harassment women endure just for being women is inexcusable. It is changing, but ever so slowly. :/
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October 18, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Vern R. Kaine
Hi Arb,
You’ll notice a few things:
1) I said “less slanted”. The article presents two opposing opinions, albeit slanted in their own right (hence I didn’t say “accurate” or “fair” in my description), but certainly less slanted than the cartoon.
2) Where it applies: part of the argument made by Maher is that white males support Sarah Palin because she is, in his opinion, a “MILF” and an “idiot” and that’s what white males want. Political argument aside, the fact that a woman can even be described in those terms over public airwaves, is that not an example of the WMP you’re discussing here? Also, the ad hom attacks against Hillary Clinton it mentions from before – are these not based, in part, on the concept of WMP as well?
3) Although yes, it’s a political site and very slanted in that regard, I suggested removing the political slant and look at the points made on either side, because I did think they related to the topic at hand. Maher’s take on the whole Brett Favre thing, although crude, was pretty much bang on in my opinion. I don’t consider myself a “liberal”, but I found that I agreed very much with what Maher was saying when it came to Favre’s lack of discretion.
Perhaps just his commentary was more appropriate to post? I did a lazy cut and paste of a link – forgive me. :)
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October 23, 2010 at 8:56 am
The Arbourist
1) Check. I see what you are saying Vern. It may also be a bit of a perception thing as defining slanted according to the current norms of our society can be a bit tricky. From what I see, the cartoon speaks to from a point of view from society that is given little or no attention as women’s discourse is not given the same weight as societies (which conveniently happens to be that of the white male).
So yes, in a way you are right it is a slanted cartoon, but given the minority view it represents, could it be viewed any other way from the perspective of dominant society?
Political argument aside, the fact that a woman can even be described in those terms over public airwaves, is that not an example of the WMP you’re discussing here?
Exactly. The objectification of women continues and it is a good example. The MILF comment, or mother who I would like to fuck speaks directly to how much of society sees how a female looks tied directly to her ‘worth’ in society. It is an undercurrent that runs through much of our society, to its great detriment.
Perhaps just his commentary was more appropriate to post? I did a lazy cut and paste of a link – forgive me. :)
No need Vern. It was thought provoking and I always welcome that. :)
When you start examining privilege and the assumptions we base our society on, it really changes your point of view. I think that had a lot to do with my initial reaction.
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October 24, 2010 at 10:20 am
Vern R. Kaine
When you start examining privilege and the assumptions we base our society on, it really changes your point of view.”
And it’s the different point of view that I appreciate.
I guess my own view has been that for every chauvinistic male I’ve encountered that uses position and finances as the basis for their entitlement and “power” over women (such as the cartoon suggests), there has been his female equivalent who’s only job, it seems, is to marry and take advantage of men. As an emotional health issue, I see this problem as a 1:1 ratio between men and women, and that the blame for this rests not with society or a group, but rather the individual choices men and women choose to make.
Back to the cartoon: I suppose that is the basis for my opinion on the cartoon being “slanted” is that I don’t consider that to be typical male behavior. I consider it fringe behavior, but behavior nonetheless that unfortunately causes so much damage that the typical “good” male behavior can’t seem to do enough to compensate for, or better yet, asphyxiate and eliminate altogether.
So when I see a guy like Maher – who to me represents more of the “typical” guy’s way of thinking – call out a guy like Brett Favre for what he did and point out in a very clever way how stupid and ridiculous that way of thinking is, I support it.
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