Christianity is the religion that keeps on giving. By “giving” I mean keeps on festering. Christianity exudes an oozing rancid pus that encrapulates and taints those exposed to its toxic effects. Dogmatic religious beliefs, like those espoused by Christian Patriarchy, are the putrefying ichor that rots modern secular society.
Pleasantries aside, this is probably one of the worst things you will read all day. I’m going to re-post a article from No Longer Quivering about Matt, a young patriarch in training, and his thoughts on the role of women in a traditional christian family. Trigger warnings for domestic violence, misogyny and homophobia are mandated for such piece.
The Red Pen O’ Snarky-Justice is raising an uproar that cannot be quelled, and thus, my commentary shall appear in red italics lightly treading on the wide trail of fail Matt leaves behind him.
“It’s possible that Matt is a troll and his comments should be ignored or deleted – but his arguments are not at all unlike the “biblical” beliefs which I heard taught/preached regularly during my Quiverfull days. I am assuming Matt is a young man based on his immaturity and know-it-all attitude – of course, given that patriarchs rarely grow up, it’s possible that he is an old man – maybe he’s the pastor of an IFB church.
So, without further ado – here’s Matt:
“I take it from your post that you are dead set on fornicating, although the Bible tells you not to do that.
“Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. [and the bible, like all religious delusional nonsense, is full of shite]”
“Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.[Ownership of one human being by another is a fracking aberration. Claiming that it is endorsed in holy scripture doubles down on the bullshite and vile misogyny omnipresent in the bible.]”
“This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.[translation: Smile while you take your abuse as the bible says its okay, hell, you should be thanking me for letting you fully enjoy your noble roles as incubator, house slave and fuck-toilet]”
You are mistaking voluntary submission with involuntary servitude. As a Christian lady you are commanded to be subject to your husband, it is asked of you to submit. It doesn’t say “men, oppress your woman to all costs!”[I command you to voluntarily submit – this like most christian apologia has a sickening circularity along with a dash of guilt – witness the next sentence]. As a Christian woman who claims to believe in the Word of God, which is inspired/breathed by God, your Creator, is it alright for you to dismiss what that Word says? [Because god is such a fair (ordering genocide) and noble (endorsing slavery) creature, we should trust this derranged lunatics words to the letter – you want to be a properly deluded christian right?]
A woman surrenders to a man so easily when he takes charge [Being afraid of being beaten to death will do that]. That is the danger of having a matriarch with a man in subjection. The woman indeed is the weaker vessel, tossed to and fro, giving in to whims, and judges things according to her motherly instinct [**swoosh!!** Wow, did you hear that it was sound of women being dismissed as fully autonomous human beings possessing all the rights and freedoms men have, embrace being a second class ‘semi-person’ ; it can be fun because possessing as lady brain automatically makes you retarded] For instance, she would say sodomite couplings are lovely, because love is blind [Funny how woman = love = stupid]. A man who is not of God would say “I don’t care, to each their own”, but not mention love in the equation.
A man of God would not even let a sodomite in under his roof or in the vincinity of his children!![Except in church, because being buggered as an alter boy is a holy experience, praise the lard for that!] Let me tell you something, love is not blind![Wait, didn’t you just say it was like a sentence ago?] Even infatuation is not blind. But infatuation and love are two different things. Love is a choice. Hate is a choice [Word Salad is a Choice!]. I will hate the wicked and their deeds [some dude was saying something about turning the other cheek – ya know tolerance and stuff, but I digress, religious are fundamentally intolerant and Matt is doing just a spiffy-awesome job at being a douche-nozzle for jebus at the moment] Yes, hate.
Furthermore, sodomites hate God, and infiltrate churches to spit in God’s face [projection much?]. You might say, “sodomites love each other, so what’s wrong with that”? I love my siblings, does that mean I have sexual relations with them?![ah, the gentle conflation of incest with same sex relations *sigh*] I love men, as brothers. I love women, as sisters. But by God, there is only one person I take sexual pleasure in[mentioning the palm sisters in a godly rant, Matt really is all over the place on this one…]! Love is not sex. Learn it, woman.
So, if you’re a Christian woman, your God that you supposedly love, tells you to submit and be in subject to your husband in every thing[huh, god was a
misogynist asshat too, colour me shocked]. Am I a jealous man? Every man of God should be jealous! Just as God is jealous, and wants us only to worship him[my goodness you are a special snowflake aren’t you cupcake, you get to be a jealous abuser because god says so, convenient].
And why am I jealous? Because the woman is the weaker vessel[citation needed, and ‘god says so’ is his magic book does not count], and evil men who have acknowledged this takes advantage, to defile you [because explicitly calling women inferior and infantilizing them isn’t defiling them at all].
“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.[whoa shields up! Unfounded pontificating incoming!] For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth [I’m going to assume that Douche-twaddle is referring to men that are not patriarchal misogynists who don’t actually want to enslave women].”
I’m telling you, there’s a lot of weak vessels, silly women, out there, who ungodly men lie in wait for. Am I controlling for keeping my woman away from these evil men? Then so be it. Yes, I am in control, but I love my woman enough to grant her freedom of thought and expression[as long as it completely agrees with my frakked up shite filled point of view; there fixed for ya]. She is as intelligent as I am, but still the weaker vessel, due to her willingness to surrender and submit to a man who takes charge [so she’s evil if she does not submit and then she is also evil because she does submit, this like the rest of your circular bullcookery is half-baked, nutty-rotten religious hatred of women].

Matt says pretty fracked-up-shite here and needs a photo to break the wall of text and add luminosity to Matt's solemn pronouncements.
Ask yourself, how many men adopt the interests and beliefs of their wives [just the ones that care about their partners thoughts and feelings and want to share as opposed to dominate their lives]? None. How many women adopts the interests and beliefs of their husbands? They are in abundance[because you beat the ones that don’t submit, you dastardly fuck]. It is clear that a woman submits to a man who rules her, even to the point of abuse, I’m sad to say[the christian Dark Ages are calling, they miss you]. Therefore a Christian man is told to love his woman as himself. What man would abuse himself[most patriarchs don’t; they save the beatings and abuse for their wife and children, duh?]? He may abuse drugs or alcohol but not himself.”
Wow. Deep-breath….*whew*. You’ll need a shower after immersing yourself in the rectum-orious musings of ass-spittle like Matt. Religion is an ugly piece of work and of course as mentioned around here from time to time, rotten to the core. The sheer amount of hate for women turns ones guts sour.
Christian patriarchy, like all fundamentalist wack-a-loon religious fappery, is fundamentally anti-woman, anti-child and anti-modern (anti-civilization, while we are at it) paternalistic bullshite. This branch of the christian death-cult ranks up there with the crazy Muslim sects that demand the burka and female genital mutilation from their woman-folk (cultural artifacts/religiously backed…your choice, it is still patently wrong).
How we let the religiously sponsored abuse of Women continue to exist in the so called civilized West is beyond me.







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February 23, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Reneta Scian
It’s typically ranting and apologetics and it makes my ears ring. Christians always have an excuse concocted in defense for things like this. I have watched quite a few of Non-stamp Collectors videos, and the one that comes to mind is the one where two people are arguing about the batshit ,crazy, evil shit that is in the bible, and everytime one sites something that would be “Ordinarily Immoral/Evil” about God’s actions the other would pop in by saying “You’re taking it out of Context”.
I have seen apologists defend the bible by siting where guys like Matt are wrong, and by saying “that isn’t what God commands” and “your taking the meaning out of context”. However, the problem is that the bible tells men to be exactly like Matt is. So if they agree with Matt they are supporting the oppression of women, if they deny that their bible commands men to be like Matt then they’re either liars, or ignorant of their own holy book (both of which are common in America).
Most of the Progressive Christians I have met either out-rightly reject parts of The Bible because they just aren’t savory, of have no clue what it says… What’s funny to me, is when I first found your site I was a Progressive Apologist, and I ended up becoming an Atheist because the points you and other atheists made it impossible for me to miss the horrifying and disgusting truths the bible represents. Indeed the bible is one of the most horrific pieces of literature in print, and is full of intolerable injustices and violations of human rights.
I can’t find any reason to take a book that says “God Love’s Everyone” a page away from God commanding men to kill babies, and take the virgin women of your enemies as wives/slaves essentially using marriage/dogma to justify rape. Lastly though, to anyone who doesn’t believe that Christianity is about the oppression of women I say this… Go to a church and watch a wedding. You’ll see it plan as day with your eyes open. The Father plays the role of “Giving his daughter away” to her husband. It at its most essential level is the exchange of property, with the woman as property. In Christianity women aren’t people, their livestock and this mentality is undeniable.
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February 23, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Rob F
Several years ago, the Southern Poverty Law Center issued brief article about how Christian Reconstructionists (an ultra-Calvinist group that wants to create a theocracy governed exclusively by OT law, and associated in part with some QF/P groups) intend to steeplejack (infiltrate churches to get enough members take them over) conservative churches and convert them to fundamentalism.
And speaking of steeplejacking, Daily Kos user “dogemperor” posted several diaries discussing them (you’ll have to dig through the archives).
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February 24, 2012 at 3:41 pm
The Intransigent One
I think Matt has gotten God mixed up with John Norman, and the Bible mixed up with the Gor series.
Also, I think that elephant might be unwell.
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February 24, 2012 at 5:30 pm
The Arbourist
Fetched from the spam filter for fun. :)
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February 24, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Alan Scott
The Arbourist,
It has occurred to me that your Atheist charge of Christianity being anti woman is ridiculous and quite ignorant of real Christianity . I can speak from experience of various Protestant denominations I have attended in my life .
While it is true that most Churches are headed by men, in reality they are far more Matriarchal . Women tend to have the real power with in the Church . Trust me, women run the place . Even among the families attending Church, it is the mothers dragging the kids to Church every Sunday . Many fathers only show up at Easter and Christmas, and or weddings and funerals .
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February 25, 2012 at 11:34 am
Reneta Scian
“While it is true that most Churches are headed by men, in reality they are far more Matriarchal . Women tend to have the real power with in the Church .”
That is the biggest, malodorous, crock of bull-shite I have ever seen. Women, according to the bible aren’t allowed to have power in church. So unless you have the most unorthodox church in all of Judea-Christianity then women have no power in Church. And once again you miss the point and concoct an indefensible unprovable position to defense your religious tomfoolery. The Bible speaks for itself about the “anti-woman, anti-child” discrimination, subjugation and relegation to property it contains, and this man troll or sincere Christian this is the position of Abrahamic Faiths. Women’s agency is derided by it, plain and simple (old covenant or new).
And in fact the fact that “Many fathers only show up” whenever they feel like it could actually stand as proof against your claim. They relegate the women to incubators, child care providers, and essentially to a lower social status. The malodorous opinion of Matt actually shows up on Christian sites pretty regular when referring to biblical gender roles so your claim is truly the one which is baseless, ridiculous and ignorant of Real Christianity. Who gets to decide which is real? Which brand is it? Everyone thinks there’s is it which is just part of the delusion. If everyone is right then by default no one is.
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February 25, 2012 at 1:43 pm
The Arbourist
It has occurred to me that your Atheist charge of Christianity being anti woman is ridiculous and quite ignorant of real Christianity .
Mr.Scott you do realize that the above statement is an application of the No True Scotsman Fallacy? Right?
I can speak from experience of various Protestant denominations I have attended in my life .
I’m glad that in your particular sect that women are treated with more respect. This however, has little or no impact on the Christian Patriarchy movement, or the fact that they are using the christian religion as a cover for the horrible things they do to women and children.
A question Mr.Scott. How do you know that your interpretation of the bible is the correct one? The CPM is very sure that they are the followers of the one true faith. So, back in lower comfy protestant christian futtbuckistan, what if you’re wrong?
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February 25, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Alan Scott
Reneta Scian, The Arbourist,
What I said is true. I have attended multiple denominations, and not the fringe ones either . If you want to cherry pick passages from the Bible to feed your obvious gender authority issues, by all means continue .
You really have to get out of your theoretical cloud and experience a little reality . It ain’t the TV evangelists that make up Christianity . It is not Bronze Age nomadic gender roles . Where exactly do you get your twisted visions of Christians anyway ?
Perhaps the two of you should go under cover, sneak into a main line Protestant Church, and see who volunteers to serve on the various committees meeting the Church’s mission . The women have the power because they for the most part do the work . Men are often just figure heads .
To repeat myself, I frankly find your ignorance of real Church life to be stunning .
” So, back in lower comfy protestant christian futtbuckistan, what if you’re wrong? ”
Fair question . I don’t know if I’m right . I just know you are not .
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February 25, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Reneta Scian
Because those are the places I came from. And you are right, there are Protestant Churches who are very forward and progressive. However you point that there are a few good apples is overshadowed by the fact that they have to water down scripture to be “progressive”. They have to take the bible with a grain of salt. We aren’t cherry picking we are citing the bibles position on women’s role in society since it is incredibly patriarchal and the passages prove this, but you deny it. You think we wrong because you are in denial. I was a protestant Christian and I spent a lot of time in church prior to being an atheist.
What is stunning is how blind people can be to what is right in front of them, and that is the patriarchal oppression of women written into it’s very words regardless of whether the men are “gracious enough” to give them pseudo-equal footing, or the appearance of equality. But I don’t blame that position entirely on you, but you have all the information to formulate an educated opinion right in front of you. Religious thought, especially the aforementioned causes a state of cognitive dissonance when it comes to our modern understanding of morality. It’s not a easy fish to fry (because you been in it all your life), but it can be done.
Equality for women isn’t asking favor to be granted by gracious, godly men, it’s a basic human right. I am happy that you live in circles that oppress women less, but you don’t realize that the oppression is still there because you don’t live with it or not in the same way. More than just the oppression of women it’s the reduction it class to below that of men, and it effects all women. You aren’t talking about equality when you talk about the church example you make. You are essentially making the argument of “well the women have their place in the church” as an example of equality when it is not. The church still teaches that men are the head of the household, and I’d bet all your pastors are men.
If your church is truly as progressive as you assert it is, more power to them. But if they are that progressive why bother, it isn’t Christianity anymore, but some new age blended equivalent. Unitarians are kind of like that and they are good people, but average Protestants and Unitarians are far removed.
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February 26, 2012 at 1:31 am
bleatmop
Well said. That is why I don’t get apologists. If the bible isn’t the word of god, which by definition is infallible, then why bother with it? Either you believe in, and follow, 1 Timothy 2:12, or your think god is wrong. Either you think female teachers should only be teaching females, or you think the bible is wrong.
http://bible.cc/1_timothy/2-12.htm
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