The amazing juxtaposition of reality and “american reality” never fails to amaze me. The onslaught of liberal values on TV is just horrible, and the mouthpieces of the Liberal conspiracy are Elmo and Big Bird. The American right is like a crazy guy with scissors in a rubber life raft who keeps on cutting holes in the raft and then complaining/blaming the others that he’s getting ever closer to drowning. It boggles the mind.
So watch how they spin the usual persecuted majority bullshite all over the airwaves and pine over the loss of direction and morality in the conservative America of today.
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March 19, 2012 at 7:07 am
Reneta Scian
We should be giving the right the big fuck you because they try to make laws based on their religion that hurt us all… Fox News promoting religion and culture based conservative values which are ultimately Christian Conservative values, and of coarse they all for this push on the “Attack Against the Church”. Attack against the church my ass. Christian Conservatives are hypocrites. They complain about the intrusion of your values, your ideals, your concepts into their home when this is a society of free thought and ideas because it contradicts their delusional sense of biblical morality and they play victim. But when the choice is in their hands they make and lobby for laws that infringe upon your rights based on that morality and claim that is just “The order of things”. It’s bullshite, and this is why I do not watch, or support Fox News or their religiously fueled bigotry that “equal rights for all” somehow equal an “attack on the church”.
And you know what, I agree with you fully on this shite with the church that the malodorous anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-equality stance of the church that erodes not build’s equality. And they wonder why we are angry, why we fight against their bullshitery. It’s because they attack us with it, and they make laws against us with it, and they use it to paint us as the bad guys because we “EXIST” and that threatens their values. So yeah, HUAH! To you Hollywood. Keep on fighting the good fight against bullshitery in America and against the conservative rights call to arms to turn our “Secular Democracy” into a “Theocracy”. That is the kind of lunacy that needs to be fought and overcome. It’s unfortunately, but laced with in this message is a totalitarian ideology that isn’t about playing nice with others but one of total domination of others, and because we resist having our rights to be who we are taken by them we are the bad guys?
How is it totalitarian? Because they worry that their children will have the ability to find the truth for themselves and that it won’t lead them to the same conclusions of them… Who is “indoctrinating children” now? Get them young the church says. Hypocrites, all of them. They want to control the minds of others for the benefit of their cause and have no interest in the exchange of ideas, of in evidence of any kind… School embrace GLBT children because they have it rough enough and is, and because their is evidence that you can’t change those things… So their position is based on evidence not on the tablets of some primitive bronze age tribe. Cold, hard solid facts that mean that in knowing them we must act a certain way in that knowledge. But it is of no surprise that the right does not care about this…
And yes, I am a liberal, I make up my own mind, I learn for myself, and I don’t believe in mythology. I can and will fight against the Conservative Right and the Church in their efforts to legitimize my persecution, demonize and dehumanize me to justify the atrocities, discrimination, and crimes they would commit against me should they be permitted as any sane person should do… If they believe they are being fought against, they are right. But it’s their own damn faults, and it isn’t the will of God, but those of a few men who believe they are right and that it is their duty to punish or convert us all. As an atheist I am not an angry person, but when the right uses their bible to treat me as less than a person I take issue with that. Thank you for the post on this video, and I apologize if this seemed more like a rant than a comment. Take care. Rene
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March 19, 2012 at 9:37 am
VR Kaine
Haha! I love what you choose to skip over sometimes, Arb!
Conservatives not being hired bc of their politicsl views? Guess that’s ok. The far left force-feeding us their religion through media? Guess that’s ok. Surely the far left would be screaming bloody murder if the other way around.
Anyways, the author’s points about his book and “soft bigotry” are totally valid, in my opinion. So are the former Miss America’s.
What I think or hope you’re referring to here are the senstor’s comments and some of Hannity’s. On those I’d agree – their kin would poke holes in their liferaft out at sea just to try and prove God makes things float. They represent the FAR right thinking that I blame for ruining the GOP, but I also think that they touch on the sanctimonious attitude of the far left that is ignorant enough to lump all the right in together as one group based on religious zealots’ words.
If you give Obama a free pass on Wright, or left-wing loons a free pass on using abortion as a way to reduce our carbon footprint, then we should simply give the far-right the same loon label and move on and try to avoid painting everyone with the same brush.
This thinking comes out of the fringe of America, not the mainstream (evidenced by the fact that no one really WANTS to vote for Romney, they just are wrestling with being forced to). They are the minority right now that is louder than the majority, and in a way you’re taking the bait.
Regardless, you lumping together everyone on the right is the same thing they do on the left and regardless of who’s “right”, it kills any hope of practical dialogue between the two more rational elements of either side.
Don’t worry, though, us conservatives and will keep making sure all these networks and public broadcasting stations remain financially viable so that the liberal agenda still has a place to be broadcast from. ;)
By the way, Hannity’s hypocrisy didn’t go unnoticed here. He’s angry that the left is forcing their views into our homes and education system? I guess creationism and abstinence advocating aren’t anything of the same, for one.
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March 19, 2012 at 10:11 am
Reneta Scian
My criticism is of Fox News and those on the conservative right complaining about being forced to accept gays as people and treat them accordingly. That guys book is a pompous pile of dog-crap, and is hardly indicative of why people are protesting against the actions the church is attempting to play in political arenas it does not belong in a secular and free America. I know that not all conservatives are like this… (Gives Vern a Cookie).
And the media, as it things like Sesame Street, and other outlets that support a liberal line aren’t trying to tell the Christians they can’t practice, just keep your beliefs out of our laws, laws that cripple our livelihoods as people. I am happy that some conservatives see that and respect others, but there is more than enough who don’t, and they push propaganda like this… We aren’t trying to control what you do with your lives, regardless of what we feel about religious beliefs, we are trying to stop those who want to make their beliefs law.
And the views of the education system should be balanced with both sides, like gay acceptance et cetera because they are a secular institution… If you want to do that in your Catholic School, and non-secular education systems, fine… So be it… But you can’t receive government funding while permitting the free ride of one philosophical position or another. School that accept gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender teens as equals do so because it is harmful not to and there is a reason to facilitate such things… The commentators point to that as a breach of the sanctity of their beliefs and that position is hypocritical all the way…
We do have the right to exist, whether it be on TV, or in school and public universities… That right stops when we enter your protected spaces, when we enter your homes… if you don’t want to see gays on TV change the channel, if you don’t want your kids in school with lesbians and transsexuals send them to another school. However, in a secular society religion does not have a right to go into the public domain and push us out of the way because it simply can’t tolerate our existence. And the religious right, like the opinions expressed in this broadcast appear to be oblivious to the fact that this isn’t a Christian Nation, but a secular one and thus secular laws.
Simply because there are people in Hollywood trying to give the right the “Slap in the face” it would be an over generalization to say that this is the entire motivation of Hollywood. But leave it to the religious delusion to see anything counter to you as evil and use that to justify your disrespect. Both sides on the extremes are worthy of criticism; however, every one of us effected by the laws the right tries to pass have a right to be livid and to fight against that.
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March 19, 2012 at 10:16 am
Reneta Scian
No offense against the religious, but our world will be better without religion. This doesn’t mean that a world without grounding is great, but a world without religion coloring it’s soil with blood would be nice. We can have morality with out religion, because we have the capacity to learn. However, I have no right to tell you want to believe but a right to have my space and my rights respected as well.
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March 19, 2012 at 1:07 pm
VR Kaine
I agree with many of your points, Reneta. I don’t see the guy’s book as a gamechanger or conservative rally cry but rather an example of how we’re becoming all about bias and getting wrapped around the axle at every ideological turn.
I don’t see any harm in Sesame Street’s message. Don’t like it? Parents can and should change the channel then. Like the woman said, she grew up on Sesame Street and still ended up conservative.
My point is simply two: the loud minorities trying to act like they’re the minority is wrong, and this ideological b.s. that makes everything some kind of “war” is wrong as well. A lot of flapping and yet in the end nothing ever moves forward.
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March 20, 2012 at 9:54 am
The Arbourist
Conservatives not being hired bc of their politicsl views? Guess that’s ok.
I’m pretty sure you are in favour of an employer having the authority to hire whomever he or she sees fit.
The far left force-feeding us their religion through media? Guess that’s ok.
Do you really think that secular humanism (insert whatever enlightenment value you are rallying against here) is a religion?
These two arguments are similar to the noises privileged conservatives make when they feel that their right to run society how they seem fit is threatened. Apart from this, both seem unrelated to issue at hand.
“soft bigotry” are totally valid, in my opinion.
The idea, like much of the radio-host conservative talking-point fair, is not connected with reality, but rather with the idealized image of the America they Know that is under Siege by the tyrannical forces of the Left. Black and Hispanic children are not being unjustly treated by “low-expectations” rather, they are being given a hand up so they might do better with their peers that have more benefits and advantages than them.
The soft-bigotry argument makes the incorrect assumption that all children start with equal opportunity and advantage, which in reality, they do not.
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March 20, 2012 at 10:00 am
The Arbourist
This thinking comes out of the fringe of America, not the mainstream (evidenced by the fact that no one really WANTS to vote for Romney, they just are wrestling with being forced to). They are the minority right now that is louder than the majority, and in a way you’re taking the bait.
The religious right has hijacked the Republican party and rightly so as the deluded have organized, done the leg work and laboured to gain control of much of the party apparatus as possible. It would seem that the much of the current crop of candidates is running on what the fringe is demanding making what they say and propose sound out of touch with many moderates on both the liberal and conservative side.
The GOP needs to reorder its house because the wacky religious fringe that is currently running the show is (hopefully) unlikely to win many elections.
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March 20, 2012 at 10:02 am
The Arbourist
why I do not watch, or support Fox News or their religiously fueled bigotry that “equal rights for all” somehow equal an “attack on the church”.
The idea of a persecuted majority is at odds with reality, but as witnessed reality and religion don’t really get along too well.
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March 20, 2012 at 10:04 am
The Arbourist
Thank you for the post on this video, and I apologize if this seemed more like a rant than a comment. Take care. Rene
Focused productive anger is what people use to make changes in society. Make no apologies Rene, good post and good opinions. :)
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March 20, 2012 at 2:07 pm
VR Kaine
“The GOP needs to reorder its house because the wacky religious fringe that is currently running the show is (hopefully) unlikely to win many elections.”
Fully agree. At the very least, to have a presidential election that argues viability of plans rather than appeal of rhetoric.
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March 20, 2012 at 6:32 pm
VR Kaine
I’m pretty sure you are in favour of an employer having the authority to hire whomever he or she sees fit.
Of course I am, but the point made was to the double-standard the left tends to hold as far as who’s allowed to be discriminated against.
“Do you really think that secular humanism (insert whatever enlightenment value you are rallying against here) is a religion?”
I believe that it’s practically treated as one, yes, and I think the fact that you consider anything here from the far left to be “enlightenment” on its own helps to make my point.
When it comes to the majority of liberal policies (environment, poverty, education, etc.), no matter how great and wonderfully guilt-appeasing a lot of them may be they’re simply not financially viable or responsible. The “religion” from the far left would be that we should just ignore this critical fact and give people ‘free’ (insert whatever government-backed ‘enlightenment program’ here) anyways. I say religion because this attitude seems to be based almost entirely on “faith”.
“Black and Hispanic children are not being unjustly treated by “low-expectations” rather, they are being given a hand up so they might do better with their peers that have more benefits and advantages than them.”
There’s a big difference between hand out and a hand up, but the left doesn’t like to make that distinction, and it shows in terms of the results.
You seem to have bought into the bill of goods that what government is doing, despite what I know are good intentions by the people within certain departments, is always “enlightened and humanistic”. I disagree, and find the outcome often to be the opposite of left-leaning programs that I work with.
“The soft-bigotry argument makes the incorrect assumption that all children start with equal opportunity and advantage, which in reality, they do not.”
Nice try. :) First, you confuse the opportunity to do something with the right to do it. They’re very different.
People on the right believe that everyone starts with an equal right, not an equal opportunity, or an equal outcome, because people are different in terms of their abilities. Everyone has an opportunity to achieve a goal, we’re all free to pursue it, and we own the results. An equal opportunity in this context is the belief of the left, not the right, and again there’s a HUGE difference.
Not only do the left believe in equal opportunity in this context, they also apparently believe in equal outcome as well.
Let’s apply this to the impoverished Black and Hispanic communities I work in. I believe members of those communities have the right to compete in the market as much as anybody, but the fact is both they know and I know that the opportunities are different for a large number of reasons. To compensate, the government (State & Federal) mandates that a certain amount of contracts must be given to minority businesses. That would seem fair to a lefty, but only because they get to comfortably view the headline of it from a distance and pat themselves on the back. In creating this “equal opportunity”, they’ve actually just removed the right of a black female procurement officer within that company to use her brain and her judgment in selecting the vendor she feels would do the best job. They’ve in effect, negated her. Do you think the lefties that push this policy have asked her or the businesses whether this is fair or equal opportunity? Nope. I’m dealing with that exact very situation right now.
Now, if companies were being picked just because they were owned by white males, it would be a situation where the rights of minority-owned companies were be taken away and an “equalizer” such as this would make sense (although a better one would be through the courts). As it stands, however, the main issue here isn’t a social one or an economic one. but rather a political one, so lefties cut their cheques (written on other peoples’ bank accounts), turn around and walk away, and everybody else is left to suffer for it.
And here’s the thing – the legitimate minority businesses I deal with hate these handouts that you talk so highly of. It actually decreases their standing with their peers if you ask them, not increases, it makes them feel worse about themselves, not better, and it takes away peoples’ rights – not adds to them. Same with many in the residential communities. When you get on the ground and see these programs at work, they’re not the wonderful things you seem to make them out to be. I see the pros and cons of the public sector programs, but the left’s “religion”, seems to see only the pros of them in the same way traditional religious nuts view faith healing.
Back to Why America Fails, and the attack on Sesame Street.
In my opinion, America is failing right now because the far left and the far right continue to dominate the dialogue. I know that goes in the “duh” category, so I’ll offer my opinion of “why”. One word, fear. Everyone’s worried about this fictitious “slippery slope” that will never become reality. The far left is worried about the country going back to slavery and the far right is worried about never being able to become rich again.
To the TV thing, I may not see as much of a problem with some liberal doctrine being pushed at the Sesame Street level, but do I see a risk in it? Absolutely, in the same way I see a problem with how we educate our young kids to be drones using the “factory worker” model in the classrooms. I believe if you follow the “typical” liberal message, it trains people to be less self-sufficient, to think half as good is still #1, and that no matter what, government will save you promoting perpetual government dependency.
As for the religious stuff, I don’t like the talk around religion right now, but here’s the reality – I’m in these communities where there are churches doing far more for poor people (i.e. feeding them and clothing them) and doing it faster than any government program is doing. This is the bulk of the so-called “religious right”, not the fringe that we see on TV, so as much as I’d criticize them I fall far short of vilifying them because I think they do more good than their far left counterparts who as far as results are concerned, mostly just pretend to care for the poor based on their lack of action.
I’m also seeing far more from non-profits and the private sectors working hand-in-hand around education right now, and yet that’s going against the national rhetoric that we’re seeing from the right.
Bottom line is we need both viewpoints – the best from the right, the best from the left – to get through all this, and if the best we can do is bitch about Sesame Street on Fox News, then none of us deserve any better than what he have.
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