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Universities should be places where the hard discussions can be had. Contentious issues are what Universities are made for… or at least what they were made for.
Once you meet the interloper please observe his tactics. He is attempting to provoke a reaction using mid level violence techniques. His goal, while completely discrediting himself, was to discourage debate. His asshollery was deliberate. Never give them what they want, as the goal of their ‘activism’ is your reaction.
It may be hard in the moment but let them be the clowns and disrupters – you keep your cool like the trio of Billboard Chris, Peter Boghossian and James did.
Never heard of mid level violence? Find out.
Calm, reasoned, and sensical. Listen to Professor Stock engage with the debate around gender identity and self ID.
Know it when you see it.
“A very common (and newly-named) informal rhetorical trick I’ve been observing, both online and in real life, is this one right here. The motte-and-bailey fallacy (also known as the ‘motte-and-bailey doctrine’). Although it is often found in arguments made by supporters of social justice, a lot of extremist ideologies also use it.
Effectively, it is bait-and-switch. Example:
Monique: All white people are racist.
Joshua: Why do you believe that, when you don’t know every white person nor their beliefs?
Monique: Well, when we say “all whites are racist”, what we really mean is, all whites are racially biased as a result of being brought up with certain beliefs in the context of a racialised society.
Ignore the lack of specificity in Monique’s argument for a moment. Notice what she does. She asserts a controversial position (the bailey), which is desired, but hard to defend. When Joshua challenges her, she retreats to a less controversial position (the motte), which is easier to defend, but undesired. She then attempts to equate the two positions to obscure the fact that her claim was effectively stepped down.
The power of this fallacy lies in the ability to defend a less controversial, or “weaker” position, while giving the impression that a “stronger”, or more controversial one, was defended instead.
Another example of bait-and-switch:
Tim: Feminism is the radical notion that women are people. If you believe that, then surely, you must be a feminist.
This is motte-and-bailey as well, but without the bailey at first – call it the ‘Hidden Bailey’ fallacy. Tim gives an uncontroversial position, and equates it with his ideology – feminism – which is actually more than is implied in that statement. Virtually everyone will agree that women are people, yet, other concepts in feminism – like patriarchy theory, rape culture, etc. are far more contested and may not be agreed upon by people who accept the first statement. Tim is baiting people into thinking they agree with him, only to switch to his real beliefs afterwards.”
Did you want to learn about the Motte and Bailey with further context of how it is being used to leverage specious ‘social justice’ claims in our society? Take a listen to the New Discourses podcast on the topic.
Discussing issues about our society in the online world is almost always a contentious affair, but lately it seems that people are particularly unwilling to engage in conversation and debate.
One of the terms that is getting thrown around liberally is the “the Far Right”. Any point of disagreement once this magic spell has been pronounced can be safely disregarded and the conversation considered to be “won” by the person deploying it.
The problem is that, in reality, nothing has been ‘won’ and more importantly the issue at hand has not been discussed or evaluated on any meaningful level.
The only solution is more engagement and involvement, it is what keeps our society free and functioning.
This is a critical thinking exercise. It exists to help people understand why they say and support the things they say and support. It fails utterly for the activist students who take up the camp on the ‘strongly agree’ side.
What is most telling is when Dr. Boghossian asks them what evidence or what information would make them change their mind to move one step toward being neutral on the topic. Neither of the women say their are any arguments or information that would persuade them. And that folks, is the sole domain of the ‘true believer’ and/or ideologue – a blessed state where no fact, no amount of reason or evidence will change your mind.
It is a dangerous position to hold for the individual and society. Do not miss the irony of the true believers calling other ‘bigoted’, it is truly something to behold.
Watch the video, grit your teeth if you have to, but know that much of the activist Left simply do not have arguments they can defend in a conversation. What they do have is social shaming and name calling, and let me assure you, they have that in abundance. Do not give into their coercion, not standing up for yourself reflects poorly on you, not them. Do not let their lies come through you at the very least.
Being able to freely discuss and share one’s thoughts in the public sphere is one of the hallmarks of a society that embraces freedom and freedom of speech. We, as responsible concerned citizens, should not be afraid to examine, discuss, and delve deeply into any topic that is important or relevant to our society and our social experience.
Authoritarians on the both the Right and the Left are opposed to citizenry in free societies discussing their pet issues in the public square and will use many tactics to shut down debate or at least increase the social cost of doing so, as to discourage most people from engaging.
Personally, I get this most when trying defend the notion that gender identity movement in its current form is actively harmful toward female rights, boundaries, and safety in our society. Trying to discuss the notion that men (regardless of how they identify) should not be in female prisons is a prime example of the rhetorical cartwheels seemingly engaged automatically when this topic is broached. “You hate trans people!” or “You’re transphobic!”…. Erm… No, it is just that there is a real safety problem with putting men into female single sex spaces that SHOULD have been discussed and debated before we actual did it here in Canadian society – So now we have to do it post hoc, ,and deal with the consequences of this foolish decision – that is females are being abused and sexually assaulted in female prisons by men who (falsely) claim they are women.
Men’s feelings about their gender should not outweigh the safety and security of women in institutional settings. This discussion needs to be had and should have been had in our public political landscape.
I digress a bit, but one of the many ways in which authoritarians attempt to discourage discussion – see the name calling example above – is the deployment of the motte-and-bailey fallacy. W.Alexander Bell tackles the fallacy in his essay quoted below:
“One way that happens is by using the motte-and-bailey fallacy. One modest and easy-to-defend position (the motte) is replaced by a much more controversial position (the bailey). A person will argue the bailey, but then replace it with the motte when questioned.
For example, a key concept of critical race theory and the broader social justice movement is the notion of lived experience, which means that marginalized people have better access to knowledge about their own experiences of oppression than privileged people do. On the surface, that seems quite reasonable. A white person can never know how it feels to be called the n-word, and a man might be oblivious to how it feels to be a woman in a male-dominated profession. Sexism and racism do exist, so it seems reasonable to assume that members of the majority are less likely to recognize such prejudices.
However, the proponents of critical race theory and intersectionality do not stop there. Smuggled into their notion of lived experience is an adherence to the more controversial “standpoint epistemology,” a postmodern theory of knowledge that rejects reaching for objectivity and argues that marginalized people have authoritative knowledge about complex systems of oppression and society itself.
For example, a colleague of mine at a Swedish university cited his lived experience when he argued that critics of Sweden’s immigration policies are all racists and should be banned from speaking at universities.
When I told him that his lived experience was just anecdotal—that there is no way he could generalize about millions of people based on a few bad encounters—he doubled down and replied, “that’s a very white male thing to say.” Initially, I worried that I wasn’t sympathetic enough to his experiences as an immigrant, despite being one myself. However, I now realize that I was being emotionally manipulated and shamed into silence through a very clever bait-and-switch. These tactics are not part of a good-faith debate, but rather a rhetorical strategy to claim epistemic authority and gain power.
Retreating to the motte of lived experience is a manipulative tactic that the disciples of the social justice movement use to exploit compassionate peoples’ desire not to offend others. The motte-and-bailey allows pseudo-academics and activists to shut down important discussions without making an argument or citing any credible scholarship or data. It also allows them to drown out well-reasoned arguments with selective anecdotes, emotional appeals, shaming tactics, and religious zealotry.
The idea that suffering brings enlightenment—that a class of “woke” individuals will lead us to the promised land with their “revealed knowledge”—has much more in common with religious mysticism than academic inquiry. In an age when we are dealing with increasingly urgent and complex issues such as climate change and a global pandemic, well-reasoned arguments have even greater importance. Personal experience doesn’t need to be ignored, but a personal anecdote cannot be a substitute for data and honest debate.”
Watch for it while you engage with (faux) progressives. Actually progressives want to make society better through thoughtful discussion and authentic inclusion of many different viewpoints. Faux-progressives will attempt to curate discussion and shutdown debate/discussion that is unpalatable to them.
For more on the Motte-and-Bailey fallacy see James Lindsey’s podcast on the topic.





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