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I think it is about as useful sometimes as attempting to urinate up a rope into the wind when its cold outside. Trying to explain concepts like evolution and abiogenesis to people who are religiously addled is an exercise in frustration.
It is like this, you offer your arguments and conclusions, fact based of course, and all they have in rely is goddidit or He works in mysterious ways and *poof* for them it is the “I WIN” button. If you call them on their feckless handwaving then they attempt to disengage with such disingenuous statements as this:
“it’s written to go from the presence of a foolish man when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge”
Seriously?
Bullcoookery does not get any swarmy than this little gem. It is no wonder the dark ages was dominated by the religious because it is obvious they could not and still cannot reason their way out of frakking wet paper bag.
Another day, another religious scandal. The unctuous Catholic Church continues to devolve and show it true colours as the amoral cesspool they call a clergy is now very sorry for raping and abusing thousands of children in Ireland since 2005.
Did someone just say 'alter boy'?
“Pope Benedict XVI has released a letter apologizing for years of physical and sexual abuse suffered by Irish children at the hands of priests.
“Your trust has been betrayed and your dignity has been violated,” the Pope told victims. “I am truly sorry. I know that nothing can undo the wrong you have endured.”
The Pope said he felt “shame and remorse” over what the victims have endured and praised their courage in speaking out about their abuse. He also acknowledged that in many cases, no one listened to their complaints.
“You have suffered grievously and I am truly sorry,” he said.
It seems like institutionalized rape and abuse is a-okay -of course until the shamed victims shed their fear and call you on your atrocious record.
Religion needs to go away. Christopher Hitchens, writing at Slate, does his usual excellent job at dismantling particular story, more so than I could at the moment, so enjoy his smack down of the this particularly evil religious moment.
I do love movie time here at DWR, grab some salty snacks and enjoy.
Sometimes the weasels win.
What I am talking about is this particularly disturbing occurrence that just passed through(not unlike stool) Winnipeg’s City Council.
The CBC reports: “A Christian group is hoping to build a multimillion-dollar, non-denominational recreation centre for youth in the heart of one of Winnipeg’s most hardscrabble areas.
Currently, Youth for Christ operates more than a dozen small rec centres in the city.
But on Wednesday, a handful of councillors on city hall’s executive policy committee gave the green light to contribute land at the corner of Higgins Avenue and Main Street toward the project, as well as approve a $2.5 million loan to the organization.”
More mana from heaven!
“Courtney said the federal government has agreed to provide $3 million of the project’s $11-million total cost. A fundraising campaign is also about to begin, he added.”
To understand how repugnant this is, a little historical context is in order. Here in Canada we have the shameful legacy of sponsoring via the church attempted cultural genocide of the peoples of the First Nations. The vehicle of choice was, along with institutional racism and discrimination, the Residential School System. I cannot adequately describe the level of injustice, or the suffering or the psychic trauma we inflicted upon Native Canadians in the name of bringing God and Civilization (which, unsurprisingly, also happened to coincide with kidnapping, segregation, indoctrination, torture and rape) to them, but when your PM apologizes in the House of Commons for our dark malfeasance, it speaks to the magnitude of the crime.
So what is going on over there in Winnipeg? Well apparently the proposal for this recreation centre magically appeared on the city councilors agenda, with scant details and none of the extensive research required for large publicly funded projects of this magnitude necessary to begin or even properly analyze.
“Gerbasi and fellow Coun. Dan Vandal have also expressed concern about the lack of information being provided on the project, which they believe is getting rushed through council.
“This money is all going into capital to build this massive new facility that has not been scrutinized,” Gerbasi said.
“There was a one page piece of paper with a motion on it that was walked onto an agenda [Wednesday] and the decision has to be made next week by council with virtually no information provide to members of council who have to make this decision.
“That’s not a way to run a city.” [apparently it is if you are ‘doing it for Christ’ TM]
Okay, so there is this huge push to get funding passed for this supposedly “needed” recreational center. It certainly has nothing to do with the people who will be privately running an publicly funded operation. It is not like the money could have been used elsewhere. Oh wait:
“Kemlin Nembhard executive director of the Daniel McIntyre-St. Matthews Community Association, is also angry about the deal being given Youth for Christ.
She runs youth programs in the community on a shoestring budget and was stunned when she heard the news.
“Given that we’re constantly told that the city has no money, [that] they’re constantly amalgamating and closing centers, and then they all of a sudden turn around and find $2.6 million to give to a group to run programming that won’t be available to a broad range of youth?”
So, how this spins out is that the public (on two different levels of government) has been duped into paying for a 
privately run institution whose goals include civilizing the natives proselytizing for Christ and creating future misanthropically deluded Christian leaders. From the Youth for Christ Website:
Our Mission
“Youth for Christ, Canada exists to impact every young person in Canada with the person, work and teachings of Jesus Christ and discipling them into the Church.”
Contrast this with what their spokesperson John Courtney has to say:
“Proselytizing is one of those words that’s attached to the radical side of religion,” Courtney told council on Wednesday.
“Do we think it’s a good thing for any young person to embrace the Christian faith? Of course we do. Do we reject any services from kids that don’t want to take that journey? Absolutely not.”
Did you hear the shlluuuuuurp? That was the sound your irony meter imploding as it just suffered a suppurating chest wound courtesy of John Courtney’s christian mendacity.
Huh. Its like our mission is to proselytize, but like, we won’t do it if you don’t want us to. Utter horsepucky.
It gets better! Our boy John Courtney simply dismisses the residential school connotation with this gem:
He [J.Courney] also called it unfair to put his agency in the same category as the church-run, government-funded residential schools that took native children from their homes to assimilate them into white society.
“You know what, what happened there wasn’t Christian. Christians did it but it wasn’t Christian,” he said. “And to compare that with who we are, with our track record of 60 years in this community, I think that’s an unfair shot.
Will the No True Scotsman representative please come to the front and take a bow.
Damn, it is unfair to think that you’re trying to target and assimilate at-risk Native Canadians into your church of holy bullshit. Unfair but true, you pusillanimous douche-nozzle. That publicly funded recreation facility will be an epicenter for your vilely delusuional coercion machine, your weasel words cannot hide that fact.
The Native Canadians know about your Damon Johnston speaks against christian duplicity:
“Damon Johnston, head of the Aboriginal Centre of Winnipeg, vowed the centre would be relentlessly picketed if it goes ahead.
“This is not 1876. You will not get away with this, let me assure you,” he said, eliciting applause”
There should be more public outcry about this, but I believe Damon Johnston’s words are prescient. In the 21st century we will not let religion off the hook for their past crimes, there will be no small mea culpla and then business as usual. This outrage will not stand.
I have found, through my travels, that many people cannot understand Christians, Muslims, Jews, or any religious people at all. I confess, initially, I could not comprehend how anyone could belong to any faith either. After much study, I think I’ve come up with some answers and I put them all in this diagram. I hope it helps.
I have found, through my travels, that many people just cannot understand Christians, Muslims, Jews, or any religious people at all. I confess, initially, I could not comprehend how anyone could belong to any faith either. After much study, however, I think I’ve come up with some answers and I put them all in this diagram. I hope it helps.
For those who want to print this off, lets give this a try. I’ve put up the poster at picturepush.com and it can be found here at
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/3004133/img/My-Work/TheBelieverPrintPeg.jpg
I like cdk007’s videos. They are always well put together and ask tough questions to people who insist on following dogmatic patterns of thought. Enjoy. :)
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