Religion is dangerous.
One can arrive at that conclusion just by reading the sundry magic books and see the horror that they proscribe. Rape, slavery, torture and genocide round out biblical and koranical ‘solutions’ for societies problems. A rational being must question the veracity and utility of texts written some two thousand years ago. How does bronze age wisdom ‘fit’ with modern times and the challenges we face? Put simply, there is no fit, yet these fictive texts possess remarkable traction with many people. One must credit the church’s programs of propaganda and the institutional indoctrination of the young for religions’ unfortunate longevity.
I think the problem that religions are facing today is that the mendacious rosewater the major religions have been using to mask the river of shit routinely fed to the devout masses now simply fails to hide the intrinsic cruelty and barbarity that is inherent in religious belief. The one thing that religions cannot tolerate is careful rational examination. The Internet allows for the safe uncensored debate of almost any religious issue; and subsequent analysis is then generally free from religious reprisal. People can freely discuss the merits of the magic books openly and are not meekly accepting any particular religion’s claims at face value.
The Internet is where Religions come to die, because their rotten structures can be exposed for the malicious structures that they are. One of the more diabolical religious practices comes from the ‘religion of peace’ otherwise known as Islam is the so called honour killing of women who bring shame to their families. To expunge this shame, women who are raped, violate arranged marriages or even dress inappropriately can be killed to restore ‘family honour’.
People who say that Feminism has ‘achieved its goal’ really need to open their eyes and take a look at the world around them. Patriarchy thrives within the suppuratingly rotten edifice of religious belief. The struggle for women’s rights in far from over because things like this still happen within our supposedly civilized society.
“The father and brother of Aqsa Parvez, 16, have pleaded guilty to killing the Mississauga, Ont., teenager in 2007.
Muhammad Parvez and Waqas Parvez pleaded guilty to second-degree murder Tuesday and now face automatic life sentences.”
Father and son, both religiously frakking deluded embark upon the grizzly task of cleaning their families’ honour by killing Aqsa Parvez. It make perfect sense after all, she went against her Father’s wishes. And what were the great stains against the Father and the Son?
“Aqsa Parvez wanted to get a part-time job and be allowed to dress and act like other teenage girls in her neighbourhood… [Furthermore Aqsa] “did not have a door on her bedroom, her freedom to talk on the phone with friends was restricted, she was required to come straight home from school and expected to spend her evenings and weekends at home as well.”
Wow, just like in the Old Country where Men were people and Women were slaves. And we do know the consequences for habitually disobedient chattel women:
“On Dec. 10, 2007, Aqsa was taken from the school bus stop by her brother at approximately 7:20 a.m. It was just 36 minutes later that her father called 911 and told police he had “killed his daughter.”
Police arrived and found Aqsa on her bed.
“She was fully clothed and had her jacket on. She had no vital signs. There was blood coming from her nose,” according to the statement. She was pronounced dead later that evening.”
Aqsa had been staying away from home, she had known before that her life was in jeopardy, and had taken refuge at friends houses and a shelter. Her demise was hastened by religiously addled relatives who convinced her to go home again.
“In an interview with police, she says her husband told her he killed his youngest child because “this is my insult. My community will say, ‘You have not been able to control your daughter.’ This is my insult. She is making me naked.”
A big hat tip to Islam for being so frakking rational. Religion enables this sort of gross violation of human rights, and needs to extirpated from rational secular democracies such as ours.



16 comments
June 19, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Moe
Is that photo with the shovels what I fear it is?
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June 19, 2010 at 2:25 pm
The Arbourist
Unfortunately, yep. It looks like they are getting ready for an old fashioned stoning, islamic style.
I’ve been accused of painting religion with too broad a brush, my response is that ‘moderately’ religious people serve as enablers to more radical activity such as depicted above. Therefore, the whole rotten edifice needs to go.
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June 19, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Bleatmop
Furthermore, thee family of Aqsa Parvez would have been considered religious moderates by everyone until Aqsa was murdered.
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June 19, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Alan Scott
The Arbourist,
So the rules are. We select the best of the best, a few fringe individuals, dramatize their misdeeds and then extrapolate their guilt not only to their group but all groups who in a generalized way can be linked .
I can play that game. I can play by those rules. Now lets see, who can I slander? Mexicans, too easy. The French, way too freaking easy. The British, what after what BP did? No way, no challenge. Lets pick a hard one. Lets pick a group so well liked and so boring that to insult them takes creativity.
In honor of mine host, I will demonize the creatures of the Great White North. Canadians. They are all murdering cannibals. All of them And I got proof, O Lord. Vincent Li, just an average everyday Canadian beheaded and ate part of a fellow Canadian two years ago.
Now as you know, in America we waterboard our Cannibals. Well we would if we had any. A terrorist is just as good. Now what does Canada do with a Cannibal ? Do they kill them, like any civilized country would ? If you said yes, you would be mistaken.
They put them in a health spa, a “mental health center ” and walk them twice a day for 15 minutes outside until they are house broken. Do not feel sorry for them . The 15 minutes soon goes up to an hour. The best part is that they don’t even fence their cannibals in.
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June 19, 2010 at 8:13 pm
Moe
Alan, do you beleive that a cannibal in 2010 in the western world is sane?
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June 20, 2010 at 8:23 am
The Arbourist
So the rules are. We select the best of the best, a few fringe individuals, dramatize their misdeeds and then extrapolate their guilt not only to their group but all groups who in a generalized way can be linked .
The sword cuts both ways Mr.Scott, as taking only the good parts of a story and trumpeting those aspects, for example ‘Jesus is Love’, would also be wrong in your analysis as jesus and the new testament is also responsible for the insipid construct known as hell which has served to frighten millions of deluded people over the ages – we often don’t hear about the genocidal, murdering jesus.
In honor of mine host, I will demonize the creatures of the Great White North. Canadians.
A blood thirsty bunch, the whole lot of them for sure.
The analogy is not quite right Mr.Scott as Canadians are not subscribing to a set of rules put together by mostly illiterate goat-herders some 2000 years ago. Canadians would have to be subscribing to some sort of delusional construct that actually said that beheading and then cannibilizing people was OK because (god,jesus, zeus, allah, FSM, et cetera) said so.
Why I choose these examples is that inherent in the texts of christianity lies justification for acts of both enormous kindness but also intractable evil. The ‘thou shall not suffer a witch to live’ needlessly caused the (via torture) deaths of thousands of innocent people because the bible said so. The bible is not internally consistent and therefore is open to interpretation both historically and ethically, that being said, I would conclude that it is not really a good place to get your ethical standards from.
Because of the malleable nature of christian morality ( see Fred Phelps) it is really quite difficult to say exactly who is right because passages from the bible can be used to justify the message of love, peace and understanding, but at the same time, the bigotry, racism and immorality that the likes of Mr.Phelps personifies. I wander a bit from my main point, but I should restate that Canada does not have a variable belief system in which atrocities can be justified because a godhead figure says it is okay, that makes your analogy somewhat less accurate that you might have wanted.
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June 20, 2010 at 8:27 am
The Arbourist
Absolutely. I am an advocate of a multicultural society, however, secular law must be respected above all religious and cultural practices as its basis is grounded in reality and the idea of justice and fairness for all (still working toward the later parts).
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June 20, 2010 at 8:49 pm
Alan Scott
The Arbourist,
I do apologize to all Canadians, at least the Christian ones . It actually was harder to demonize Canadians than any other group, but I chose to be as absurd as possible to illustrate the absurdity of your statements . I am glad you stood up for your Country. I wish more of my own Countrymen, like say my President felt the need to do that for mine .
” we often don’t hear about the genocidal, murdering jesus. ”
I agree, we almost never hear of that guy. Off hand I can only remember hearing about him once.
” Canadians are not subscribing to a set of rules put together by mostly illiterate goat-herders some 2000 years ago. ”
There you go again with your racial stereotypes of Middle Eastern peoples from two millennium ago. Jesus was the son of a Carpenter and he had a couple of fishermen working for him.
” thou shall not suffer a witch to live “, that is not exactly a fair point to make. That quote is from the Old Testament which is God’s law being laid out for the Jewish people I believe when they were still Nomadic tribes. Primitive Nomads tend to have very harsh laws that reflect a very difficult existence . That scared or evil people in times of stress would misuse sections of the Bible to scapegoat others is not a condemnation of Christianity . Anyway, show me where “your” genocidal Jesus called for the murder of anyone. As I recall, he forgave the ones who murdered him. That’s pretty hard to do.
Ms. Holland,
” Alan, do you beleive that a cannibal in 2010 in the western world is sane? ”
Don’t care. If you murder someone innocent then afterwards do something irrational, it sounds like a good way to beat a murder rap. The security at this Country Home for Wayward Canadian Cannibals would seem to be insufficient.
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June 21, 2010 at 11:25 am
The Arbourist
Arb:” Canadians are not subscribing to a set of rules put together by mostly illiterate goat-herders some 2000 years ago. ”
AS:There you go again with your racial stereotypes of Middle Eastern peoples from two millennium ago. Jesus was the son of a Carpenter and he had a couple of fishermen working for him.
Well, I’m not sure if that is a stereotype per say. Nothing against ancient peoples and the like, but comparatively speaking they were illiterate. In modern times we have access to much more information that can inform our choices about all manners of things.
” thou shall not suffer a witch to live “, that is not exactly a fair point to make. That quote is from the Old Testament which is God’s law being laid out for the Jewish people I believe when they were still Nomadic tribes.
It may be a very fair point to make as this particular quote was used in the 14th and 15th century to torture to death thousands of people. The point I was getting at this it is this interpretation which is particularly vile.
That scared or evil people in times of stress would misuse sections of the Bible to scapegoat others is not a condemnation of Christianity .
Scared ignorant people are a savage bunch. Which is precisely why I put stock in the Enlightenment and the rise of rationality and reason.
How do you determine what is a misuse of the Bible? I mean, is it not god’s perfect word? The bible says much practices that, in the civilized world, are not acceptable.
The conclusion I draw is that, the bible, like god, was invented by man to soothe his fears generated by ignorance of the world around him. We now live in an age in which we can learn about the world we inhabit and begin to understand the natural processes at work without any of the extraneous mysticism that was so characteristic in our past.
Anyway, show me where “your” genocidal Jesus called for the murder of anyone.
Start here. :)
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June 21, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Mystro
“There you go again with your racial stereotypes of Middle Eastern peoples from two millennium ago. ”
It seems that you don’t understand why Arbourist says your analogy fails.
First, the specific ‘goat-herders’ part of Arbourist’s statement really has no bearing on anything as it doesn’t matter what someone’s profession is, if they say 2+2=4 they are right, if they say 2+2=5 they are wrong.
But the point wasn’t meant to be specific like that. Looking generally, people in that situation, in that era, were more prone to superstitious nonsense than someone who has had access to a more scientific education. Indeed, illiterate goat-herders, fishermen, and carpenters from 2000 years ago could believe something as ludicrous as the earth being the stationary center of the universe while the sun revolves around it or that epilepsy and blindness are caused by demonic possession. Thus, anything they say about the nature of anything ought to be scrutinized thoroughly.
As the professions mentioned are not the actual main point, what is? It’s the part about the in-alterable set of rules (you know, the part you ignored in your reply) Allow me to illustrate.
What does it mean to be Canadian? It means that one lives in Canada or has Canadian citizenship.
Notice how the definition says nothing about a guiding set of principles. I, as a Canadian, could disagree with every single one of my government’s policies and practices and still be a Canadian. Same goes for all those other countries your originally mentioned.
What does it mean to be a Christian/Muslim? Well one thing it means is that you believe that the Bible/Koran is the perfect word of god/allah. This means, anything found in it is morally above anything us mere mortals could come up with. Thus, if in your holy book of choice, your faith tells you that it says that murder/rape/genocide is the answer, then it is the right thing to do.
So, with a country, mistakes can be identified and rectified, historical misdeeds can be made an issue of shame for its people. This makes it possible to improve and to grow.
With a religion, believers cannot accept any error in there holy books (as it was divined by their version of a perfect god). So, there is no shame when they talk about their god commanding Abraham to murder his son, nor is there repulsion when Jesus enforces the totalitarian fascist idea of thought-crime in the sermon on the mount. These are all great wondrous things done by a great and wondrous god. No need to improve. We already have perfection. We had that same perfection in the crusades, we had it at the witch trials, we had it during the Inquisition, we had it at the honour killings, we had it at 9/11, we had it at all those car bombs, we had it during all that child rape at church….None of this is tipping you off that the guiding set of principles may not be perfect?
“show me where “your” genocidal Jesus called for the murder of anyone”
There was one big one…let’s see, where was it? Oh yes, the entire book of revelations. That’s where it says me and the 4 billion or so other non-christians (and a bunch of christians who happen to be the wrong type of christian, depending on the version) get to burn, and suffer excruciating torture for all time. The plain message is ‘Accept my love or endure more suffering than you can possibly imagine’. A rapist’s message is “Accept my love or I will beat you up/kill you”. The difference? Jesus can cause more pain for not ‘accepting the love’ and he can do it to a lot more people.
“that is not exactly a fair point to make. That quote is from the Old Testament”
um…”Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”(Matthew 5:17-18)
yeah buddy, christianity is stuck with every single horrible thing said in the old testament. Jesus said so. Now go kill your neighbor if he dares woking on the sabbath. Or do you think your morality is a bit better than the one laid out by your jebus (don’t pull that ‘that wasn’t jesus’ crap either, cause according to your trinity crap, old god and jebus are the same AND they are timeless, so which one came later doesn’t matter).
“in America we waterboard our Cannibals”
Other than satisfy some gross sadistic tendencies (which you got from your bible, I’m sure) water-boarding does nothing. You mention that you water-board terrorists. Guess what? There is still terrorism. Torture has never worked, and never will work, to solve anything. If all you are doing is looking for an excuse to hurt people, then you are monstrous and you disgust me. If you want to make the case that torture is effective, I demand, at minimum, one single case where it has been shown to be an effective deterrent on anything. (pssst, there isn’t one).
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June 21, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Moe
[If you want to make the case that torture is effective, I demand, at minimum, one single case where it has been shown to be an effective deterrent on anything. (pssst, there isn’t one).]
Mystro – did you not watch “24”?????
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June 21, 2010 at 7:05 pm
Mystro
Point well taken, Moe. I forget how many of our American neighbours get their reality checks from Fox TV. *Sigh*.
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June 21, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Alan Scott
Mystro,
” It seems that you don’t understand why Arbourist says your analogy fails.
First, the specific ‘goat-herders’ part of Arbourist’s statement really has no bearing on anything as it doesn’t matter what someone’s profession is, if they say 2+2=4 they are right, if they say 2+2=5 they are wrong. ”
It seems you don’t understand sarcasm. We Conservatives are beyond being tired of being called racists by Progressives. Now The Arbourist, to his credit, does not do that, but I could not resist the barb.
” What does it mean to be Canadian? It means that one lives in Canada or has Canadian citizenship. ”
I already apologized to Canada. I know mine host will not be so genrus to Christians.
” “show me where “your” genocidal Jesus called for the murder of anyone”
“There was one big one…let’s see, where was it? Oh yes, the entire book of revelations. That’s where it says me and the 4 billion or so other non-christians (and a bunch of christians who happen to be the wrong type of christian, depending on the version) get to burn, and suffer excruciating torture for all time.”
Look, I am not arguing the infallibility of the Bible. I asked for evidence of Jesus calling for murder. Even our host sent me on a wild goose chase on that one.
The Arbourist,
” It may be a very fair point to make as this particular quote was used in the 14th and 15th century to torture to death thousands of people. The point I was getting at this it is this interpretation which is particularly vile. ”
A truly fascinating time, particularly in Eastern Europe where Christianity clashed with Turkish Islam. Many were the Christian and Muslim prince who used religion to murder for gain and then fought for the other religion.
Vlad the impaler, comes to mind. The real Dracula. He even managed to freak out the Turks, who were no slouches in the torture and murder department.
” Nothing against ancient peoples and the like, but comparatively speaking they were illiterate ”
I’m sure you have known barely literate people who were wise about life. Human nature does not change. 2,000 years from now you will look illiterate. I on the other hand. :)
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June 22, 2010 at 10:00 am
The Arbourist
Perhaps I was a bit vague in just sending you to the evil bible web page, I thought that the all the insipid and banal bible facts listed would, in their totality, make the case for the Jesus calling for murder. Now I assume, you wanted a direct quote saying something like this: “I Jeebus say that you must put to death all the followers of the high cheeze-wiz because of their wickedness and tendency to make tasty salty snacks.” I, when writing my comment, had a more general thought it mind. I borrow from Mystro’s comment for the actual quote.
”Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”(Matthew 5:17-18)
Jesus in the line essentially says that he is a-okay with the Old Testament and would not change a thing. So if jesus is on board with everything that happened earlier then it is could be said that he condones murder and genocide as per Old Testament writ.
I should have clarified that as I did not put forth Step A, but rather went directly to Step B to illustrate murder in the Bible without showing that jesus was ‘down with that’.
Absolutely. I take wisdom from elders and other walks of life very seriously. My respect ends though when they attempt to weave magic and superstition into a normative world view and call it explanatory.
I’m not sure if our species will be around in 2,000 years Mr.Scott, our propensity toward self destruction is only amplified by technology that makes it easier to annihilate human existence on this planet.
Although, indeed you are a special case ;)
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June 25, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Alan Scott
The Arbourist,
” ”Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”(Matthew 5:17-18) ”
” Jesus in the line essentially says that he is a-okay with the Old Testament and would not change a thing. So if jesus is on board with everything that happened earlier then it is could be said that he condones murder and genocide as per Old Testament writ. ”
If I am going to dispute you and put you in your place, I suppose as a Christian, I really should actually read the Bible. You seem to read it more than me and shame me for my neglect.
But as I remember Jesus did things that conflicted with the old Jewish law, so he was merely being Obama-esque in not meaning literally that his followers had to follow every tenet of the law. Obama is not the only Messiah to have that leeway.
I may be mistaken, but didn’t he cast out demons on the Sabbath, save the uncircumcised, and forgive Prostitutes. That would have gotten him excommunicated under Old Testament law.
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June 25, 2010 at 10:47 pm
Bleatmop
Alan, in complete sincerity, doesn’t that kind of discrepancy bother you? The fact that Jesus, the embodiment of your god and by definition infallible, could say that he’s not here to change any of the old laws and then go ahead and change them through his actions? Doesn’t that raise some questions for you?
I know it did for me.
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