The debacle that is going on down in Wisconsin is enough to make a person ill. The Daily Show comes through to show how tainted the corporate media actually is and how egregiously the population is affected by corporate propaganda.
In Canada watch the clip here.
In the US and possible elsewhere go here.
How do you fix the budget? Attack the poor and middle class. It is a message that never loses traction.




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April 1, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Vern R. Kaine
Although the issue has extended publicly out towards what a “fair wage” is, the Wisconsin issue legally is a question of whether people should be forced to join a union, and be forced to have their pay deducted to support one when they don’t want to (at least as I understand it).
When I last worked for a union/non-union company, I had the choice to join and I would have received higher pay and more slack-a$$ benefits, but I and a number of other employees chose not to. Some of us were better off for doing so, others weren’t, but at least we had the choice.
Any union that wants to remove that choice by force can be nothing but simply too scared of people who could achieve greater ends without them, and of people who are smart enough and skilled enough to get ahead based on something OTHER than length of employment.
Teachers get the crap end of the stick in a lot of ways, but so do plumbers, veterinary assistants, home care nurses, who get paid for dealing with worse. Teachers also get a lot of perks that others don’t get (like a guaranteed paycheck, an employer that never gets sold/goes under/goes out of business), and they are well-aware of the pay bands when they went into it. Boo hoo for the rest of their “problems” right now – that’s life. Their plight is no tougher than a business owner’s who has seen his customer base and loan resources dry up because of this recession.
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April 2, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Bleatmop
Vern – Of course the answer to your concerns about being forced to pay dues to a union is democracy. The union was democratically voted in, and it can democratically be voted out. If enough people don’t like the actions of their union, they can always get involved with the promise to decertify the union as soon as they are elected.
What’s going on in Wisconsin is the opposite of democracy. It is the quashing of peoples right to freely associate.
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April 3, 2011 at 9:03 am
Vern R. Kaine
“It is the quashing of peoples right to freely associate.”
I don’t see that in what I’ve read about the law attempting to be passed. Instead I find:
“The law would force public employees to pay more for their health care and pension benefits, which amounts to an 8 percent pay cut. It also would eliminate their ability to collectively bargain anything except wage increases no higher than inflation.”
Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Wisconsin-union-rights-law-on-hold-for-2-months-1317820.php#ixzz1ITKgZwud
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/10/wisconsin-union-bill-pass_n_834268.html
Indeed, the reason I am not totally against unions is largely because I believe in peoples’ right to freely associate, but I don’t see where this law being proposed actually affects that right.
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April 3, 2011 at 6:20 pm
The Arbourist
The bill in question does the following.
1. Eliminates collective bargaining rights for child care workers, UW Hospital and Clinic Employees, home health care workers and UW faculty and academic staff.
2. Prohibits collective bargaining over any factor or condition of employment other than ‘base wages’ for state and school district employees and non-public safety county and municipal employees. Bargaining over base wages is limited to the percent change in the CPI.
3. Requires annual certification elections.
4. Prohibits payroll deductions for dues.
5. Limits Collective Bargaining Agreements to one year.
6. Prohibits the employer from paying the employee portion of WRS contribution
7. Eliminates interest and grievance arbitration
8. Requires employers to pay 88% of the average of Tier 1 plans if participating in State Insurance.
Yes, this is pretty much a bald faced attack on a established union that goes way beyond any notion of ‘fiscal restraint’. No arbitration and no collection of Union Dues? Really?
This union busting bill needs to go back to court and stay there until the Republicans can find another way of making up their budgetary shortfalls. Hint: rhymes with ‘blaze faxes’… ;)
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April 3, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Vern R. Kaine
Just watched “Waiting For Superman”. More proof, in my opinion, that teacher’s unions are less the “allies of the people” that they try and seem to be, and more against positive change than they are for it.
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April 3, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Vern R. Kaine
The only “attack” I see is #1? #7 could possibly be, but look at what the arbitration process was for teachers, i.e. the “rubber room” thing and the 23+ step process for trying to remove a lousy one. (Btw, they eventually removed the rubber rooms but the union did “little to change the arduous process of firing teachers, particularly ineffective ones” according to the NYT.)
As for the remaining six points, what’s the problem? The fact that #4 – payroll deductions – is even being highlighted as “union busting” is a joke. Payroll admin is a significant company expense. Why should it be something that a company pays for yet has to provide free of charge to the unions, especially if they’re adversarial? Why should the union be entitled to that? Besides, if the unions are so “organized”, then they should be organized enough to collect checks from their own members with their own administration and on their own dime.
I agree that the excuse for the bill is lame and disingenuous (saying it’s entirely because of “fiscal restraint” is like us saying Libya is for “humanitarian reasons”), but to call it simply “union busting” is just as lame and disingenuous as well, in my opinion. Anyone who seriously thinks that “big union” power shouldn’t be reigned in just as much as “big business” power should be is drinking union kool-aid. Case in point, I don’t see how #2-#8 are unreasonable (again, except for maybe #7), but when they all get lumped in together and dismissed as “union busting” it sounds like the same sensationalist crap as when the right calls Obamacare “socialism” or the left calls anyone against Obama’s Libya policy “racism”.
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April 3, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Bleatmop
Vern – ““The law would force public employees to pay more for their health care and pension benefits, which amounts to an 8 percent pay cut. It also would eliminate their ability to collectively bargain anything except wage increases no higher than inflation.””
Right, so they are free to associate only for certain actions then? The can associate to collectively bargain for their wages but not their pension? That sounds like saying someone can have freedom of expression on the south side of the park, but not on the north side, but perhaps that’s just me. Sorry, you’ll have to talk about baseball in the south side of the park today!
“but look at what the arbitration process was for teachers, i.e. the “rubber room” thing and the 23+ step process for trying to remove a lousy one. (Btw, they eventually removed the rubber rooms but the union did “little to change the arduous process of firing teachers, particularly ineffective ones” according to the NYT.)”
And who agreed to these negotiated terms for firing a teacher? Who wrote the labour laws regarding arbitration? Honestly, if it is so hard to fire a teacher, negotiate for different terms. Hell, make a lockout happen if that’s what they need to do. Last time I checked, all the teachers were outright willing to give concessions in their contract. That what their leaders and rank and file all said in interviews that I watched on tv. Heck, all you need to do is Google Wisconsin Teacher Concessions.
http://www.google.ca/search?q=wisconsin+sign+concessions&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=BZw&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&q=wisconsin+teachers+concessions&aq=0c&aqi=g-c1&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=cc8e06da34e9bc37
“It also would eliminate their ability to collectively bargain anything except wage increases no higher than inflation.””
Oh goodie! So the very best the can do from now on is drawing even! And that’s if they win the negotiations completely. Anything else is in effect a pay reduction due to inflation making their dollars purchase less. Sounds like a state that I would stay in to work, especially with 49 other states to work in without that draconian measure. Nothing like trying to attract the best and the brightest to educate the future generations of Wisconsin people (sorry, don’t know the term for that, Wisconsinites?).
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April 4, 2011 at 10:15 am
Vern R. Kaine
“Honestly, if it is so hard to fire a teacher, negotiate for different terms.”
Ha! Have you ever negotiated with a union, or been in the room when they’re negotiating with a company? Unions make that FAR easier said than done, especially public ones. Part of the reason for that is their ties to federal politics while they are adversarial to state politics. They’re not stupid, and they’re certainly not victims 99.9% of the time. They get their rubber rooms and job banks specifically because of the power they yield behind the “we’re the victims and we’re powerless” facade they constantly promote in front of the cameras.
Again, I refer here to overreaching abuse of power. You make it sound like the only way higher wages are achieved are through a union. The non-union market regularly proves that this is not true. Wage increases are discussed and agreed to in every non-union interview before a job is ever accepted. Furthermore, teachers in DC were offered significantly higher wages if they gave up ridiculously easy and often undeserved job security via tenure. Guess what? The AFT wouldn’t even allow a vote on it. Shocker. You don’t think higher wages would have brought better teachers into DC? I think Rhee was bang-on with what she tried to do there, and the efforts of people like Canada and Kipp highlighted in the “Waiting For Superman” film show there is a better, proven way that – let’s face fact here – unions are TOTALLY against.
Or let’s take Wisconsin. Average teacher compensation at retirement is $100k. That increased substantially over a 10-year period, yet over that same 10-year period students saw little to no improvement. They have an only 68% graduation rate. What was the justification, then, for the increase? Cost of living? My ass. The real answer? Entitlement alone.
Find me any job in Wisconsin in the private sector where you can earn $100k (average teacher wage in Milwaukee = $86k for 9 months of work), get free health care and a pension for life, and work the same hours that the teachers do. Show me a private sector job where employees currently don’t have to pay ANYTHING towards their own health care and pension costs. It’s not a bad gig that they have right now, and it makes sense that they’ll do anything to protect what got them that gig, but at what cost to everyone else? And, btw, the right to negotiate beyond cost of living increases and so forth still exists, it would happen by citizen vote rather than a union forcing it.
As for the pensions, look where many of the union-forced wage and pension increases have led to (add ridiculous union-negotiated disability benefits as well). I’m not going to go as far as to say they’ve bankrupted any state, but it’s obvious that the cost is both unjustifiable and unsustainable, and who FORCES them regardless? Unions do. I’m not necessarily anti-union, but I’m anti-special-treatment, especially right now in our current economic times.
“Nothing like trying to attract the best and the brightest to educate the future generations of Wisconsin people”
Again, you make it seem like the only way the best are attracted to a job is through a union. If the school boards need to attract better teachers then they can make wages and comp packages attractive to them just as any small business would in order to compete. Fortunately, small businesses have far more ability to cut loose the dead weight and free up that capital to spend on good people rather than being forced to keep that dead weight on. Does this happen in public unions? Does the dead weight get removed? Of course not, and they pride themselves on it because it’s “protecting jobs”. Right there proves that a unions’ #1 concern is NOT the economy, nor is it truly education in the case of teachers. It’s about protecting power.
I’m all for a fair medium in these public union vs. state negotiations, no matter where they are. I’m also for their contracts being fully disclosed for the public to decide upon on the merits of the contracts themselves, not simply backing a teachers union because “I happen to be a unionized plumber so whatever the union says must be right” kind of mentality.
I’ll point out that I’m also not a big supporter of the State in this, either. Check out Bill Gates’ TED talk on State budgets, and how the numbers are manipulated. It’s sickening. It doesn’t, however, mean that unions should have the power to thug-negotiate whatever the hell they want, everyone else be damned in the meantime. Both sides of the equation need to be changed, and blanket support of unions is not the way to do it.
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April 7, 2011 at 7:59 am
Vern R. Kaine
More proof that some unions have too much power:
1) Retired teachers in Wisconsin get paid a full years’ salary for up to 30 days’ work. Heaven forbid the right to force this (ahem, “bargain for it”) is taken away.
2) Unions hate volunteers that offer their time for the “common good”. They tried to prevent an 86-year old crossing guard wanting to do a nice, honorable, FREE thing for the children out of the goodness of his heart. Heaven forbid. And how long does that job take, btw? Maybe a 1/2hr? And how much skill? Yet based upon those, how much do you think the union would have “negotiated” for in terms of minimum pay? If they’re forcing Nevada to pay $23/hr to get a simple window caulked, I’m sure something “for the children” would be even more exorbitant.
Another example below is of volunteers trying to keep a library open. How dare someone willfully volunteer their time for the greater good and keep dues from the union!
I’m not defending Walker per se, but when these union bosses whine that he’s part of some “elite” and they’re so hard done by, it’s hard to have sympathy for them when they’re making more than he is.
If the “elite” status of certain companies or certain politicians bothers people, then the elite status of unions should bother them, too.
Sources:
http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/140-green-bay-teachers-looking-to-retire
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/budgetblues/2010/10/who_is_against_library_volunte.html
http://www.waow.com/Global/story.asp?S=11891208
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