The Provincial Progressive Conservative party in Alberta should really jettison the ‘progressive’ part of their name. They have not done anything particularly progressive since the latest oil company approved election campaign nominated Ed Stelmach as First Courtier to Big Business Premier of Alberta. We really do get what we deserve when we continually vote the PC’s into office, namely a province run for the benefit of business rather than the benefit of the people. It makes sense then to turf knowledgeable specialists such as Raj Sherman when he dares to make a evidence based argument instead of what the party line dictates.
“The Alberta MLA who criticized his own government over its handling of backlogs in the province’s emergency rooms has been suspended from the Tory caucus. Raj Sherman, the Progressive Conservative MLA for Edmonton-Meadowlark and an emergency room physician, made headlines over the past week for his sharp criticism of Alberta Premier Ed Stelmach and how the province has managed long lines in the province’s ERs.”
Won’t the optics look back for the Government when they boot out a doctor for speaking up about an area of expertise? Sherman says:
“For me, it’s really a matter of principle. I guess the principles of being a doctor and advocating for patients collided with the principles of politics,” Sherman said.
“I don’t see a reason why they would have needed to collide. I think politicians and doctors, voters and patients are one and the same. But for me it’s a bit of a sad day.”
Sherman said he will now sit as an Independent.”
It is a bit of sad day for all Albertans because stuff like this gets buried so quickly in the province and then come voting time, we elect, you guessed it, more PC’s into office. So, should we really be surprised anymore when such decisions are undertaken? Not in Alberta, where a tie clip that ran for the PC’s would get elected.





12 comments
November 28, 2010 at 7:53 am
Alan Scott
Hmmm, long lines in the emergency room. How can that be ? I thought the Health care system in Canada was so good that America had to copy it. Trouble in paradise?
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November 28, 2010 at 8:08 am
The Arbourist
Any medical system has its challenges Mr.Scott. Ours in Alberta is still recovering from a bout of government sponsored austerity that broke it in many unpleasant ways.
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November 28, 2010 at 11:20 am
Alan Scott
The Arbourist,
I am glad to hear this is just a temporary condition. I would hate to think the trouble is a structural one, since my President is taking me and my country on a journey to copy your system.
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November 28, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Bleatmop
Obama isn’t coming anywhere close to what we have in Canada. Insurance reform still maintains the status quo down there in the states, private insurance funded health care. A Single Payer system where everyone is served regardless of income is what we have here.
BTW, every bit of peer reviewed literature says that single payer does everything better for 99% of the population with one exception, elective surgeries (ie breast implants, ect). Not only that, single payer does it less expensive, considering there is no money going to profit and shareholders, and we have significantly less bureaucrats getting permission for every single procedure, medication, and/or provision of care from the insurance companies before they are done in any care setting.
But hey, if that’s not what you want, then enjoy your inefficient health care system that serves the richest first and the poorest never. I’ll stick with our system and work to make it better. At least I don’t have to turn someone away to die because they don’t have enough money.
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November 28, 2010 at 6:16 pm
Vern R. Kaine
Until Americans can experience the two types of systems for themselves, it’s very difficult if not impossible for them to be able to have a clear perspective. I think if both Canada and America were less concerned about their systems “looking” Canadian or American, both systems would be better off. Is your perspective as a practitioner, Bleatmop? Just wondering if “I don’t have to turn someone away” was literal or figurative.
Also, it was well before my time, but I heard that single payer was brought in amidst a lot of uproar, fear, and protest back in the day. Any insights on that?
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November 28, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Bleatmop
Vern – I do work in health care. As far as when single payer was brought in, that was well before my time. Its my understanding that the physicians were most opposed to it, and even went on strike, but I would have to look in my history books to be sure. I do know that Tommy Douglas, the father of medicare in this country, was voted to be the Greatest Canadian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Canadian
As far as Americans getting to try a single payer system, I hope they do. I see health being treating as a commodity as wrong. Unfortunately, the insurance companies that are calling the shots in your health care system have determined that health will be a commodity.
One of the things that I found striking during the debate, especially with the whole “death panel” discussion, was that somehow it got sold that bureaucrats called the shots on health care decisions here in Canada, when in fact the opposite is true. It is in the USA that bureaucrats call the shots, health insurance bureaucrats, for health care decisions. Doctors can prescribe a medication, a surgery, physiotherapy, ect, but it is the insurance company that decides if it gets paid for. Here, I have never seen anything like that happen.
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November 28, 2010 at 7:05 pm
Alan Scott
Bleatmop,
I am glad that you believe your system is better than our’s. We should all defend the honor of our Country and their health care system. Maybe with the improvements my President is making to our system, so many of your Countrymen will stop coming to the US to be treated.
Maybe more of your doctors will stay home also. Aren’t they on welfare or something up there because of the lousy pay? The only thing that really concerns me is that Obama is caving into so many evil businesses and exempting them from paying their fair share. The President is becoming such a sellout to the Right down here. I don’t believe I will vote for him next time around.
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November 29, 2010 at 8:43 am
Vern R. Kaine
Mr. Scott,
I have to step in on this one. My experience with both the US and Canadian health care systems is as follows:
1) Yes, Canadians experience longer wait times. How long varies by city and province. It’s not as bad in Alberta as people outside Alberta make it out to be, and also, it is improving through more specialized clinics (ex: hip replacement, laser eye clinics) and more efficiencies being adopted throughout the system.
2) Not one single person I know of in Canada has ever been a) forced into bankruptcy because of medical bills, or b) been refused or withheld from any treatment that a doctor legitimately prescribes. Ask US doctors how much they enjoy turning away patients, or seeing them suffer because they can’t afford care.
3) I’ve heard the “dying in the hallway” stories. They are anomalies, not the norm. For every Canadian that’s died in a hallway, there’s at least one American (probably 10) who have been kicked out of the waiting room to go to a community clinic or shelter and has died on the way. There have also been Americans who suffer and die because they can’t afford treatment.
4) There are Canadians who would like to pay to speed up the wait times, but they are not permitted to. I personally disagree with this and think they should, but that is a matter under debate.
5) “So many of your countrymen coming to the US to be treated”. An interesting comment. First of all, it’s a minute fraction – the people who can afford to. They do it for the speed, not necessarily for the quality of care.
Second, it fails to consider the “Medical Tourism” that occurs with Americans. As for the doctors heading south, I’d suggest looking at what type of doctors they are. Conversations I’ve had suggest they are specialists who don’t have to deal with the insurance companies as much. Every GP I know in Canada has no desire to come down here and set up shop. First, they’re afraid of getting sued, and their insurance is through the roof on that by comparison. Second is the administrative cost. Here in Vegas my friend has to deal with 160 different companies in his practice. In Canada, there’s 1.
Bleatmop can speak more intelligently about this than I can, but I wanted to share my experience on both sides. This is an issue that particularly hits home for me right now – as I speak I have a relative with me who has a serious heart and kidney condition. Age 62, out of work for over a year, no insurance, no assets. Two heart attacks have put him $225,000 in debt and the number continues to go up. Sure, he pays $50 a week for the rest of his life, but even that is a struggle for him right now. Who do you think ultimately is going to pay for that? You and I through our insurance premiums, and the rest through our taxes. We’re ALREADY paying for it because of the system we have.
I also had two Canadian friends down last week. One had an injury and went into the local hospital. He was amazed at how quickly he was attended to and treated. Interestingly, he was given a $2000 bill, but because he was paying cash, he got a 70% discount. He paid $1,400, which he will get reimbursed for in Canada. Not a bad deal at all, I think. We should want as many cash-paying Canadians down here as they can afford – all it does is help us.
I’ve lived in both countries and have a great respect for both countries, defending either when I get the chance. If people want to slam Canada right now, just compare economies side-by-side and then look at their health care system. If their health care system was so bad, they’d be bankrupt, which they’re far from. They can practically buy the U.S. financial system right now if they wanted to, and if you look, everyone up there is relatively happy with how things are. We could learn a lot by what they’re doing, and remember, both countries are on the same side. :)
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November 29, 2010 at 8:46 am
Vern R. Kaine
Sorry, he got a 70% discount which meant he paid $600, not $1,400.
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November 29, 2010 at 11:34 pm
The Arbourist
We could learn a lot by what they’re doing, and remember, both countries are on the same side.
Statements like this sound decidedly non-partisan. Are you feeling okay Vern? :)
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November 29, 2010 at 11:37 pm
The Arbourist
The President is becoming such a sellout to the Right down here.
That is the first bit of sense I’ve heard from you in a long while Mr.Scott. Unfortunately though, it looks like most of your post is supposed to resemble irony, and therefore you believe something closer to the opposite of what you said.
I still have hope thought, if I’m reading the tone incorrectly.
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November 30, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Vern R. Kaine
Haha. Never better! I think you’ll find that I’m not as partisan as you think. Unless, of course, you’re being ridiculously left-wing. ;)
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