The DWR Sunday Religious Disservice – Boot the Godless from the US!

“There is no credible effort to expel Atheists.”

Of course not. Nothing done in the name of religion is credible.

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By credible I mean what it actually means

cred·i·ble   [kred-uh-buhl]
adjective
1. capable of being believed; believable: a credible statement.
2. worthy of belief or confidence; trustworthy: a credible witness.

I know christians are all about contrived meanings, but I really wish you’d understand that such dishonesty and/or ignorance is not a good thing.

” you are they guys attacking Christians.”

We criticize christian ideas that hurt societies and the people in them. We do not actually attack the people. I’ve explained to you before that criticising ideas and attacking people isn’t the same thing. Criticising ideas is how we determine which can stand up to rigorous scrutiny. You see this as “attacking” because chistian ideas can’t stand up to any scrutiny at all.

“If Atheists leave us alone, we generally leave you guys alone .”

Atheists are bullied, ostracised, demonised, kept from positions of high office, and that’s just what religious people to to us specifically. No, I’m not saying all religious people do these things. But there are enough of them with enough power to make it a huge societal problem. So if you don’t like us calling out christians on bad ideas and behaviour, perhaps you ought to clean up your religion and its practitioners so we don’t have such a vast tower of travesties to complain about.

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“your American brother Atheists”

sigh. Atheism isn’t actually a group. I have zero affiliation with anyone based solely on their theistic beliefs. It’s like not being a thief. Sure, on the one issue of thievery, we both figure its a bad idea, but we could very easily differ on a multitude of very important things, making us not ‘brothers’. So next time, try to provide an actual link between atheism and some sort of poor behaviour, other than just stating that some poor behaviour was done by someone who happened to be an atheist. If successful, you’ll be a hero of the church, cause it’s been two thousand years, and no such link has been made.

“Christian student groups that have been around forever are being banned or told they must accept new members who do not share the same values.”

I recall that story, I think. It was a chistian group getting funds and one of the requirements for getting funds was not discriminating against religion (or lack of religion) for membership. Way to be “attacked” for not being allowed to discriminate. A fairly good synopsis can be watched here:

“another scumbag Atheist Professor…”
Provide a source please, this sounds made up. If it isn’t, it doesn’t matter much. One example of a non-religious jerk doesn’t indicate anything – see my first paragraph.

” I really want to know.”

I doubt it, but here’s a couple real examples. That is, you can easily verify them yourself, if you so wish.

Last I checked, there are 7 states that prohibit atheists from holding public office. That’s officially instated discrimination.

Or, if you’re looking for something a bit more personal, sometimes christians deprive atheists of their children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ww1AilSJ3U

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Thanks for the source. But as I mentioned last post, a single teacher being a jerk-face doesn’t make your point. Especially since, at the end of the news clip, it said that the school agreed that the teacher was in the wrong. All you did was find a lone teacher in error.

Now, to the proof you requested.

Here are links to some State constitutions

North Carolina, Article 6 Section 8

“The following persons shall be disqualified for office:
First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God.”

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Legislation/constitution/article6.html

Arkansas, Article 19 Section 1
“Atheists disqualified from holding office or testifying as witness. ”
(scroll down to page 63, about halfway down)

Click to access ArkansasConstitution1874.pdf

Maryland, Article 37
“That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God”

Click to access 2006const.pdf

Mississippi, Article 14 Section 265
“No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office in this state.”
(scroll a little over 3/4 down the site)

http://www.sos.state.ms.us/ed_pubs/constitution/constitution.asp

South Carolina, Article 14 Section 4
“No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution.”

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/scconstitution/a17.htm

Tennessee, Article 9 Section 2

“No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards
and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state.”

Click to access 47-Constitution,%20Tennessee.pdf

(scroll about 3/4 down)

Texas, Article 1 Section 4
” No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.”

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CN/htm/CN.1.htm

So, impossible to believe, huh? Yeah, those ‘fact’ things can be very hard for theists to swallow. Reality sometimes doesn’t jive with their preferred way of viewing things. But for some reason, when these conflicts happen, theists tend to deny reality instead of their treasured dogma. Not very honest, is it?

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Constitutionally mandated discrimination and you want to belittle it by saying it isn’t routinely enforced? What the fuck? CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED DISCRIMINATION. You come up with one lousy teacher who was immediately overruled by the school as your “evidence” for the massive oppression of christians, whereas I show you that there is officially institutionalized bigotry across no less than seven states, and you want to make excuses for that? You don’t see that as a double standard? You don’t see that as grossly dishonest and unjust? Really?

And by the way, no, these aren’t forgotten laws. Recently a man had to undergo an 8 year court battle to keep the job he was elected for, because he was an atheist. 8 years. Look it up yourself, I’m tired of researching for you, only to be ignored. You’re going to be “generous” and say I’m ‘naive’? What a load of shit.

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“I asked you a question because I did not know . ”

No, you asked the question because you wanted a cop-out justification for the discrimination of atheists so you could keep playing your bullshit ‘christians are the oppressed ones’ card. No dice.

“I find it inconceivable…”

What you find inconceivable is of zero consequence. Maybe its time you stepped out of your little bubble of delusion and try some reality. I gave you links to the actual state constitutions. I can’t think of harder evidence than official documents. Yet you still talk of it being ‘inconceivable’. Your ability to ignore facts that threaten your fairy tale views is mind boggling.

“That is how you guys operate. Sue people to death or at least into bankruptcy ”

Sure sounds like you’re talking out of your ass. Making wild, baseless claims is not how to conduct a civil conversation. Did you miss the ‘making shit up is uncooth’ lesson in manners class?

“The alternative is to call you a liar .”

As mentioned above, I backed up everything I said with fairly solid evidence (though you seem intent on ignoring it). The point is, if reality supports my position, then I’m not naive or lying. I’m right. The fact you don’t believe what I’m writing, despite it being sourced and independently verifiable is indicative of your close-minded and delusional view of the world. I’m sure your religion is proud to have such a mindless zealot championing its nonsense. Good work.

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