I promised myself I would not do this again, but it happened anyways *sigh*. I went back to Usneakydevilu’s blog and perused the articles there. Bad move, I’m guessing my SIWOTI gnome needs feeding and wanted the *full* buffet style treatment. I am aware of the nuclear grade delusion running front and centre there, but the post on “Intellectual Rape; Liberal Teachers Invade the South to “Evolve” Students Ideology” actually made me pause and contemplate what the sound of infinite *head-desking* might sound like; I could not resist arguments this ridiculous – they need to be fisked and shared with the world.
So gentle readers, I once again unsheathe the red pen of justice and prepare to lay bare the fatuous murmurings of the delusional and hopefully satiate that damn SIWOTI gnome for awhile. First a line by line analysis and then a summary at the end. I realize we are waaaaay into TL;DR territory, but let me assure you hilarity ensues through the entire piece.
“Intellectual Rape; Liberal Teachers Invade the South to “Evolve” Students Ideology”
(Lets start with the title – Intellectual rape? Rape is a violent non consensual act . So we are to believe that students somehow being violently taught something against their will a la “A Clockwork Orange“. Or more likely, it is just tasteless hyperbole setting the stage for a whinge filled rant on the theme of religious scare mongering and projection. Anyhow, please note the conservative anti-intellectual use of the dog-whistle “evolve” because it is well known that Evolutionary Theory (aka rational scientific knowledge) is just plain wrong.)
EXTRA! EXTRA! The South has been invaded.
But unlike The Civil War, this invasion is to enslave rather than to free. [my link]
(It is fascinating to watch the inversion of values take place. Watch as rational discourse, inquisitiveness and critical thinking, the hallmarks of education are portrayed as evil evil evil bad things!)
Today, if you spend any amount of time on any high school or college campus in the South, you will find a rapidly growing number of ”teachers” from northern and western U.S. states. These teachers are proud to say that they are from cities like New York, Boston, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco and a slew of other non southern cities. You could say these teachers are going where the teaching jobs are and that could be true, but I’ve found that it’s not that cut and dry. (Anecdata is at its best, but great for setting the stage for the fetid pile of BS that is about to come)
Liberal teachers are gathering up their intellectual arms and are headed to the South to fight Christian-Conservative values and beliefs, using sneaky guerilla warfare tactics. (What? Those sneaky liberals hiding in the bushes and coming out to raid the good decent folk of the south, how dare they? – I think USD is referring to the idea that secular education, as opposed to religious education is based on reality as opposed to magic and that choosing rationality over mythology is a bad thing.)
There is an assertive effort to invade the South and help evolve the “slow and backward thinking” of the people of the South. (Shoddy sentence construction aside – Education tends to dispel irrational belief, and that is *good* thing.)
To inspire evolution liberals know the best way to do so is to insert liberal thought into young inexperienced minds. (Oh ho!, USD is onto the Evil Liberal Overmind – watch out parents, rationality might slip into your educational system causing people to question their magical beliefs.)
Southern states tend to be more conservative, more religious, while less hedonistic and open to gay lifestyle, abortion and redistribution of wealth (aka less advanced and civilized). The South gets in the way of more liberal policy and liberal leadership. In an attempt to change voting practices of Southerners, Progressive-Liberal teachers from the North and West flock to the South to do their ”missionary work” (citation needed), they see Southerners as ignorant, poor fools (USD missed ‘religious’ in his list of adjectives, as religious usually goes hand in hand with said adjectives) in need of purging out of old values and beliefs.
I’ve listened to many liberal teachers and they all teach from the same blueprint, they all say they welcome different opinions and want to inspire thought. (Anecdata again, along with generalizing…but hey what better tools to describe “the enemy”. Newsflash – dissent, differing opinions, debate – are hallmarks of good education practice as they encourage critical thinking and analysis.) But these teachers are really telling students, what you have heard and have been taught all your life is wrong. (Actually, I bet those teachers are encouraging students to think for themselves and look for evidence to base their beliefs and opinions on. Belief in christian dogma has no rational basis; refuting the religious brainwashing and dogmatic instructions students have been programmed with *should* be a natural consequence of education.)
What these liberal teachers are doing fits the profile of a statutory rapist where an older more superior intellectual, hoodwink an immature-feeble-minded youth into practicing ones desired action, intellectually raping young minds, throwing their beliefs on top of them. (Ignorance is strength! – How dare you! Encourage my child to think about the world in rational way? Preposterous! I’ve spent so many years indoctrinating him with the magic facts from my magic book and you want to undue all of my brainwashing? – False indignation aside, the contents of this paragraph are repugnant. Educating children to think critically cannot be considered “statutory rape” of the mind. Questioning, debating, arguing are all facets of intellectual growth and development and thus reside in the core of what teaching is about. The entire idea behind this post seems to be based on the fear that if children become intellectually equipped to make a rational evaluation of religion they *might* reject their indoctrination and begin to think for themselves. A scary thought indeed.)
Sneaky Code terms being used to molest young minds are:
- Question authority, Question what you are being told (But when you question their liberal ideas, they don’t call on you anymore) ( Oh! *clutches pearls* Shades of the persecuted majority! – Which ‘liberal ideas’ are we talking about? Did you make your arguments logically or did they start with such poppycock as “the bible says…” or ” jesus teaches…” Making arguments based on fictional sources and fairy tales shouldn’t earn you any special place in an educational environment.)
- Think outside your norms (Your views are obsolete, get new better values and beliefs) (What? Question dogmatic belief? Unthinkable. But, really, basing your world view on the ramblings of semi-literate bronze age shepherds is kinda backwards, as we are in the 21st century and have progressed and amassed knowledge far surpassing that of our ancestors.)
- Ask Why! Why do you believe what you believe? (The never-ending “Why”. Why is what a Liberal teacher tells you.) (“Why” is one of the most important questions out there. The question “why” begets curiosity, clarity and critical thinking.)
- Acceptance. “I wanted to make my classroom a place of acceptance, of exploring new ideas and identities”. (But no acceptance of Christian conservative thought but acceptance of GLBTQI= GayLesbian…) (Persecuted majority twice in the same set of bullet points – defensive much? If the views of christian conservative thought (oxymornic statement at best) deserve merit then they should be able to stand on their own. Criticism should be welcomed as the arguments are sound…the problem is that many of tenets are not and thus cannot be defended rationally – cue the reliance on dogmatic belief and doctrine rather than rational,critical analysis.)
I stumbled across a blog of an Anarchist teacher and thought that’s a oxymoron if ever I seen one. How can you not want any rules or human regulations but you’re a teacher in a system of rules and regulations. (This is actually an interesting question, but again it is clouded by closed binary thinking. Anarchism, like most ideologies, is on a spectrum and is not easily categorized. Clearly, having read the teachers post she is doing her best to integrate her values into the system proscribed by the school. Creating a safe environment to explore issues and ideas is goal all teachers share (or at least they should). We should get back to the fear and paranoia though… )
These Northern and Western liberal teachers are invading the South with great passion. They are on a mission to change people’s values and beliefs to fit their progressive agenda. (Citation needed – But hey, when you are a defender of the faith, who needs citations!)
Liberal teachers are intellectually raping our young students, “our kids”, we need to know this is going on and challenge these sneaky bastards on every front. (Well, way to stick to your thesis, despite it being catastrophically wrong. I mentioned projection at the beginning of my editorial, we’ll be getting to that soon enough. Teaching children to be curious and to develop critical thinking skills is not “intellectual rape“, it is teaching children how to mature intellectually and begin the process of becoming a rational thinker.)
There’s nothing wrong with knowing God, there’s nothing wrong with having conservative values, and just because it’s “change” doesn’t make it good change. (Indeed, there is nothing wrong with “knowing god”, but the key to that statement would be this: you would have to come to that decision on your own and not predicate your decision on the bullshite religious dogma you were force fed as child. Seems reasonable, no?)
And thus endeth the meticulous Fisking of the fractal wrongness of USD’s post. I’d like to summarize how wrong the arguments of this post are and touch on the psychological idea of projection and how it is relevant to what was said.
The main argument of USD’s post is that ‘liberal education/values’ as delivered by liberal educators is like statutory intellectual rape of students in the Southern US. Let me just quote USD directly so there are no questions as to what his position is:
USD – “Liberal teachers are intellectually raping our young students”
Now, as I mentioned earlier equating intellectual rape with teaching children how to learn is easily puts USD’s statement on the list of the most stupid things ever said on the internet. Teaching children to be curious, thinking critically and ask questions are the cornerstones of rational inquiry, hence what learning fundamentally is. So, this is an argument against learning or charitably, “liberal learning”.
It would seem that equipping children to be critically skeptical and inquisitive of the world around them would be a good thing. It is how our societies have managed to progress through history (with a few notable exceptions…the
christian Dark Ages for example) while generally improving the standards of living for select groups of people who happen to be living at the time. Consider, would you like live before we knew about Germ Theory, or in the present with our current level of knowledge about disease and related pathology? Many would agree that now is the better time to be alive. It is our curiosity and dedication to skeptical inquiry as embodied by the scientific method that has allowed us to conquer many of ills that have plagued all of humanity (smallpox for instance). Is USD arguing on the same side as the church when it was prosecuting Copernicus for challenging the assumptions of doctrine approved geocentric model? It certainly seems that way, but I think that level of loontastic mendacity is beyond even USD. Here is what could be going on and where the projection comes in.
Let us let USD speak for himself –
“But these teachers are really telling students, what you have heard and have been taught all your life is wrong. What these liberal teachers are doing fits the profile of a statutory rapist where an older more superior intellectual, hoodwink an immature-feeble-minded youth into practicing ones desired action, intellectually raping young minds, throwing their beliefs on top of them.” [emphasis mine]
Rape, statutory or otherwise is an act of violence perpetrated against another without their consent. USD is arguing that teachers are teaching their students the horrible traits of skepticism and rationality (watch closely here) that cause them in turn, to question the beliefs that they were brought up with. And herein lies the insidious connotation of the argument. The reason why “liberal education” is bad is because it undermines the mendacious religious propaganda that has been fed to the children when they are not in school.
Indoctrinating your children with the religious inanity that (as parents) you happen to uncritically believe in actually does begin to approach the definition of ‘intellectual rape’ because children are not born religious, but rather (cue the projection aspect) are molded by their parents and their beliefs without the child’s consent. I’m sure, if given the choice, between the delusional inanity of religion or the the rational empiricism of the real world, children would choose the latter as they begin to grow and mature. Santa Claus and the easter bunny are easy to cast off, but when your parents still believe in zombie jesus and will punish you for questioning their mythology, it changes the nature of the game. As a child/teen you are not autonomous and risk ostracism and debasement because you dare to question their belief in magic; embracing rationality comes at a very high price within a religious family.
So, it would seem that the religious has once again cornered the market on delusional, retrograde argumentation. Sadly, USD is but a spear carrier in the self-destructive orgy of anti-intellectual thought that goes on in the United States. The projection, the absolutist mentality, the dicotomistic method of framing debate all contribute to the swirling vortex of argumentation fail. Perhaps the most troubling though is the overall lack of honesty and charity that permeates USD’s style, along with of course, the routine construction and beating of strawmen. And therein lies the crux of the matter, how do you change minds when one side does not/is not capable of playing by the rules? Progress and intellectual advancement have historically defined the West, yet at the same time we have large segments of the population who actively rally against the tenets of science and rationality, the very foundations of progress.
One can only hope that rationality can prevail.





18 comments
October 31, 2011 at 8:27 pm
renetascian
I really like this post, and glad you realize that not all ideas are equal, and beat those ideas about their ignorant heads, necks and shoulders with fact. I, however, refrain from feeding the troll-like blogger know as “USneakydevilU” as his thought processes is self-perpetuating lunacy and ignorance. I argued with him once and realized the depth of his ignorance and preferred stupidity (Judea-Christian thought), and I dare not venture back. It reminds me though of the many mythological thought processes of Christianity which demonize (Literally) free thought by targeting skepticism as bad, and the time used to think and critically analyze things while edifying blind faith and deriding autonomy by logical trickery. It is why I refer to religion as a “Computer virus for your mind”.
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November 1, 2011 at 7:35 am
Cry and Howl
Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Funny stuff here! Jeez, just considering the title to your post bewrays the avenue in which your strenth is derived.
I can only say this about the, to use your words, “fetid pile of BS” that you portray as an intellectual, reasoned argument is, a fool’s voice is known by the multitude of words … and your post has a great multitude of mindless blather.
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November 1, 2011 at 1:11 pm
The Arbourist
I can only say this about the, to use your words, “fetid pile of BS” that you portray as an intellectual, reasoned argument is, a fool’s voice is known by the multitude of words … and your post has a great multitude of mindless blather.
Hey thanks for stopping by and your opinion is noted. :)
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November 1, 2011 at 1:54 pm
The Arbourist
I really like this post,
Well thank you. :)
I, however, refrain from feeding the troll-like blogger know as “USneakydevilU” as his thought processes is self-perpetuating lunacy and ignorance.
Oh, I know, it is not always the best idea to prod people, but when you look at the argumentation it really does make you pause and wonder, what is the motivation behind this? It takes a great deal of work and dedication (delusion?) to put those arguments out on a public forum in a straight non-satirical manner. Exploring the actual arguments though, as earnest as they may be does not change the fact that they are patently wrong.
I argued with him once and realized the depth of his ignorance and preferred stupidity (Judea-Christian thought), and I dare not venture back
Well, I doubt there will be any arguing at least in the formal sense of the word. That would require attending to what was actually said and constructing an argument that might stand up to reasonable criticism. So far, it has just been insults and derogatory remarks, not unexpected when one’s arguments are shown to be absurd in a public forum, but one hopes that others, while passing by, can see the two sides of the argument and judge the relative merits for themselves.
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November 1, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Random Ntrygg
I can’t help but think that maybe the north should let the south go it’s own way and see how long they last.
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November 1, 2011 at 3:58 pm
The Arbourist
It is quite shocking. I mean, you hear about positions like this and you wonder…”really”? In the 21st century?
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November 1, 2011 at 9:19 pm
renetascian
People like “Mr. Deviousness himself” are the reason why people like The Arbourist, myself, Bleatmop, Intransigent One, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Thunder-foot, Qualia Soup, Theramin Trees, and other minds of reason are so important out there on the web spaces. Insanity and bad ideas will exist throughout the existence of humanity. Christians talk about “Standing the Gap”, when they speak about “Being the voices and children of God standing the Gap to delay God’s Judgment while awaiting the Rapture”; We the people of reason should stand the gap against the chaos such ideologies, bad ideas, and ignorance promote. It’s why, as well as for many other reasons I am active in the blogosphere. Because if those people of reason, or those people with insight and reasonable thoughts on those issues don’t speak up, then who will?
Sitting around and waiting for someone else to fix the world you live it whether it be a magic man in the sky or a bowl of marijuana is pure laziness plain and simple. Christians only mobilize in force when they feel their values are under attack, but the vast majority don’t care enough to do more than just pray when people starve to death or die of preventable diseases that donations and charitable organizations can provide. Calling teachers speaking for sanity, the right to choose and reason demonic to suit your own needs while not sparing a breathe for Genocide in Africa, Starvation in America, violence against women in Arabic countries, et cetera ad nauseum is ludicrous and self centered. If Christians spent half of the effort and capital they do fight against rights for GLBT people, lobbying, and trying to subvert reason in our schools with bronze age mythology on poverty and suffering in this world they could have cut those plagues to humanity in half.
If the Catholic Church chose to endorse, provide and sponsor programs that provide contraceptives poverty and AIDS epidemics in many places in the world could be stopped. I could go on, but the hypocrisy of religious fundamentalism speaks for itself. So I pass my thanks to all voices of reason, even those I scoffed at while I still suffered the clinical delusion westernize cultures suffer from. Even if all I do is click like on a blog or article that speaks with a voice of reason, and sound logic. I urge all reasonable people to support reason even if only in simple ways. As for ‘that’ certain blogger, I just don’t have the patience to argue with someone whose response to a logically reasoned rebuttal is that “The devil is sneaky”, or with banter to dehumanize me to rather than rebut my position. I guess I am sort of a trifecta of minority statuses mistreated in our culture, so I try minimize self martyrdom (^_^*)
Afterthought: You gave me the last inspirational push to write a blog I had been thinking on about the demonization of free thought by religion, so I may make an honorable mention.
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November 1, 2011 at 10:07 pm
The Arbourist
Afterthought: You gave me the last inspirational push to write a blog I had been thinking on about the demonization of free thought by religion, so I may make an honorable mention.
Feel free to leave a link, I look forward to reading your post.
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November 2, 2011 at 1:18 am
bydesign001
Being one born and raised in the north, I suppose a heck of a lot longer than the north which is imploding.
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November 2, 2011 at 1:18 am
bydesign001
-DITTO- Ten times over.
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November 2, 2011 at 1:19 am
bydesign001
Spoken like a true Progressive.
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November 2, 2011 at 2:21 am
renetascian
I also linked your blog in here. The post is complete, and if you have anything to add feel free. Thanks for permitting me to link it to you. I can never seem to find your blogs to do ping-backs for related topics for some reason. Take care.
Rene
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November 2, 2011 at 2:36 am
renetascian
I am without a doubt, and I wouldn’t deny such. In some sense, progressive means you see the problems with the world and seek to solve them. However, there is always another way to view all situations. Contraceptives, or lack there off causes more suffering and death than they prevent, or has the potential through over population to lead to catastrophe, even extinction.
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November 2, 2011 at 8:30 am
The Arbourist
The response to the post has been lackluster see the bottom of the pyramid for where the majority of the replies fall.
As of yet, no contrary substantive arguments have been made therefore it would seem the actual content of the post is not in dispute.
I’m glad you agree with me. :)
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November 2, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Rob F
The south is good for the rest of the US and vice versa (please, bear with me). It is generally more conservative than the rest of the country, with certain swing regions (especially if there was no gerrymandering) deciding each election. The US would be a considerably more liberal country without it.
Why is the above ideal arrangement good for the US? It allow the main parties to serve as brakes on the actions of the other, therefore saving the US from foolish excesses of both the left and right.
But here’s the key point. The Republicans I’m talking about? They must be your parents’ or grandparents’ Republicans. The 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s Republicans. Those reasonable, traditional Republicans. What they must not be is the current load of fundies, fuckwits, and wackaloons who are so batshit insane that they haven’t just taken the GOP off the deep end, not just taken the GOP off the rails, but rather taken the GOP off the rails carrying the deep end and over the cliff.
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November 2, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Rob F
Addendum to my previous comment. A list of people expressing similar sentiments. I don’t necessarily agree with any of these people’s other political positions (and I don’t expect those with positions similar to my own to agree with these people either), but they all lament what has happened to the GOP and the right wing in the US.
John Rogers
John Rogers again
The Sensuous Curmudgeon
The Sensuous Curmudgeon again
Russ
Charles Johnson
Andrew Sullivan
Chris Currey
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November 2, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Vern R. Kaine
Definitely not our grandparents’ GOP, is it?! Then you’ve got the new Democrats that can’t get their own act together. Carville predicted 40 more years and they’ll be lucky if they last another 4.
No words can describe how twisted up American politics is right now. Interesting, sure, but for the sake of growth I’d much prefer “boring”.
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