Fantastic. Our cracked conservative government is floating yet another trial balloon on its anti-empirical evidence “tough” on reality crime bill. Listen to all the surreal talking points from the interview on CBC’s The Current Podcast.
Civilized states do not put people to death. We should remain counted as a civilized state.





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March 24, 2012 at 9:51 am
cyberclark
People have cuddly ideals when they do not have to deal directly with a problem.
I think public humiliation for all is a good start! Rich kid, Poor kid or generally messed up young adult; get their names out there and open the door to media for full disclosure and allow public ridicule and damnation.
If parents caught a view of the population they live in they may have an interest in having their offspring join the system.
Why should a native receive a reduced sentence or a white kid be let off light because of a child hood experience? Not in my world! No matter how these kids grew up; the person they harmed or killed remains damaged for life or dead and gone.
There is no such thing as training a person into resentment or anything else for what they did! You can however teach that same person to play the game with the same amount of effort and claim victory in the press when the person lives 6 months without hurting someone else!
Our system sucks! Two parents working leaves the door open for unexplainable guilt for not giving the kid the nebulous best. These parents compensate for the kids by excusing them from everything, defending them at school and play; always someone else should be incorporated into the blame.
The result is these kids grow up know no causes and effects. They have no reasonable scale of right or wrong. They have no real concepts of effort and rewards. Of achievement and pride.
These coddled kids are you next hard core criminals as they leap through life from one high to the next, from one excitement to the next and never finding fulfillment.
These are the kids of our society that are trained delinquents; trained by the best of intentions. Our system has to anticipate, trap and straighten these young people up while they can be changed.
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March 24, 2012 at 10:42 am
The Arbourist
People have cuddly ideals when they do not have to deal directly with a problem.
Direct experience does not an argument make. I’ve had a nuclear weapon dropped on me, but I can garner enough information to make an argument why such an action is a bad thing.
With your initial sentence, I’m not really sure where you are coming down on the idea of capitol punishment.
to media for full disclosure and allow public ridicule and damnation.
Public shaming is a powerful sociological force. I won’t argue with you there, however, its opposite notoriety and ‘street cred’ might brew some unintended results.
Why should a native receive a reduced sentence or a white kid be let off light because of a child hood experience? Not in my world!
Your world has a lot more black and white in it than mine. People are a product of their histories. To ignore that fact is to court injustice.
Our system sucks! Two parents working leaves the door open for unexplainable guilt for not giving the kid the nebulous best. These parents compensate for the kids by excusing them from everything, defending them at school and play; always someone else should be incorporated into the blame.
Our system does leave much to be desired. One could start looking toward the notion of why it is that we need two incomes to make a tenable life for oneself, rather then making generalizations about “bad parents”.
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March 24, 2012 at 1:29 pm
cyberclark
I make no inference to “Bad Parents” it is our social structure and more people are inclined into it than mange it differently.
I agree with most of what you say.
Parents working worry a lot about robbing their kids of some nebulous, unnamed advantage. I call it a guilt, totally undeserved which they are responding to knowingly or not.
In this mesh of work and home the kids life has to have some structure with limits and penalties built into it. It is awkward and at times impossible to set limits when one is not there to guide.
It is near impossible to hand out a penalty when the coaching was lacking.
Nevertheless it is my thought the limit and the penalty are more important than the free ride and endless excuses that lead to so many bored delinquency problems which are most apparent in vandalism.
I don’t have all the answers I have come through adventure and misadventure to recognize the mechanics of our folly. I think just recognizing this much will make a great and positive outcome to the families effected.
I told my kids (all professionals now) “Do what ever you want to do but, take a moment to know what you are doing!”
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March 28, 2012 at 7:27 am
Despiser O. Ignorance
So you don’t think America or Japan are civilized states? Quit kidding yourself and pull your head out of your ass. Just because you don’t like the punishment doesn’t make it morally wrong. Besides, a majority of Canadians support the death penalty, if you haven’t noticed. But who cares about research and logistics when you can pull some stupid picture off the internet that doesn’t even understand the purpose of capital punishment (which isn’t to “show people killing is wrong”)?
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March 28, 2012 at 10:14 am
The Arbourist
DOI – Just because you don’t like the punishment doesn’t make it morally wrong.
Well, no it is not a matter of “like” but rather a matter of consistent application of moral principle.
1. Murder is ethically wrong.
2. Capital punishment is murder.
C. So, Capital punishment is ethically wrong.
Besides, a majority of Canadians support the death penalty, if you haven’t noticed.
Argumentum ad populum Rather than arguing fallaciously, it would be nice if you put forth actual arguments and answer your question to me – “Just because you *like* capital punishment *doesn’t* make it *right*.”
Then, once you actually have a position, we can talk about efficacy and the effects on CP on society.
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March 28, 2012 at 11:19 am
cyberclark
Most Canadians do not support Capital Punishment. The most vocal of the knuckle draggers however sound like a bigger group than they are.
I for one, think capital should be in for a select number of crimes. Killing a police officer is at the head of my list. Killing a police officer is in the second and third place too.
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December 4, 2012 at 6:53 pm
lovena123
i think its tru that killing people iks a wqrong way of showing that killing is wrong and i think that the criminals should just be locked away where they belong.
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December 4, 2012 at 6:54 pm
lovena123
i am totally against capital punishment.
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December 4, 2012 at 7:25 pm
The Arbourist
@lovena123
Thanks for your thoughts.
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