NonStampCollector enlightens us with the special case of slavery in the bible. Feel the moral goodness flow.
A great place to start if you need encouragement to stop drinking the religious Kool-aid. From the video description –
Whether you’re a believer or non-believer, when confronting bible slavery, don’t let anyone throw up this ridiculous smokescreen that says that the slavery instituted in the old testament was so completely different to, say, pre-civil war US slavery. The usual tactic is to throw facts and rules about Israelite indentured servitude around, to throw you off the scent of a Yahweh-mandated form of slavery EVERY BIT as bad as anything we’ve seen in recent centuries. This line of argument is so prevalent that I’m confused as to whether its proponents actually believe it or not; but either way, this video is my attempt to inject a bit of reality into this very important area of discussion.
The god of the bible mandated oppressive life-long slavery of foreigners – pretty much a concise description of one of the worst forms of human rights abuses the world has ever had to grapple with. It’s as simple as that.
No, I don’t hate God for mandating slavery, and no I don’t believe that God is evil for mandating slavery. I don’t believe that THIS god, the absurd god of the bible, is even extant, let alone worthy of any adjectives beyond that! This god’s inhumane and ridiculously cruel commands say nothing about the god that they are ascribed to, simply because they are so obviously ascribed to a god by the men in whose image this god was made.
Deal with it folks; your god is the brainchild of some particularly awful humans. The bible simply and clearly gets this very easy human rights question utterly wrong.
Abandon it, and keep looking for answers. You’ll be ever so glad you did.
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11 comments
February 17, 2013 at 8:52 am
john zande
You find some of the best vids! You’re my favourite VJ!
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February 17, 2013 at 9:14 am
The Arbourist
Thanks John,
I look for media that effectively communicates. Nonstampcollector uses the video medium quite effectively to get at the inanity that lies at the heart of christianity.
I read your most recent piece on “Baking”. Nice work :)
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February 17, 2013 at 9:19 am
john zande
Cheers, Abor! Taking the piss out of religion always gives me a warm fuzzy feeling deep inside ;)
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February 17, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Robert Nielsen
Excellent video. Non Stamp Collector is one of the best Atheist youtube channels (in terms of content not video quality)
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February 17, 2013 at 9:17 pm
Ryan J. Knight
Try being a former Messianic Jew, and current Christian who points out that the early Israelites weren’t that much better than their so-called ‘pagan’ counterparts. After all, we actually have a HUMAN SACRIFICE to God in the Old Testament, but you bring that up, and next thing you know fundies are trying to burn you at the stake for heresy. Trust me, there are reasons I don’t blame some of my friends for being atheists when you have cracker jack theologians trying to whitewash cultural and anthropological history in favor of some Disney version where everyone just needed a hug. Riiiiight.
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February 18, 2013 at 7:51 am
The Arbourist
I’m fairly certain that if more people actually read the bible, the appeal of the more radical christian sects would drop significantly.
Are you trying to say that Jesus’s primary function was not dispensing free hugs all day? :> Sacrilege
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February 19, 2013 at 1:07 am
bleatmop
From what I can tell, Jesus’s primary function was to tool around with like 13 guys in the desert for a few months and then go to a S&M party where he was whipped a bunch then put on a funky sex cross where he was impaled by some Roman soldier’s “spear”. Then he decided to play hide and seek for 3 days only to then show his face to just say see ya soon lol jk kthxbye. And by soon he means within the lives of the men he said that to, but only if they live thousands upon thousands of years. Also, he did go a little nutty once and curse figs for all eternity just cause the fig tree had no fruit on it. I blame it on a bad batch of peyote.
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February 19, 2013 at 4:42 pm
another lurker
Every time I bring this subject up to Christians they tell me:
1) oh really? prove it
2) oh I see it did happen, BUT you have to read it in context
3) well, it was indentured servitude, and a humane way for men to pay off their debts
and the one that annoys me the most
4) it is not our place to judge as slavery was between God and his people
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February 20, 2013 at 10:55 am
The Arbourist
I almost ruined my keyboard Bleat. ;)
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February 20, 2013 at 11:08 am
The Arbourist
@ another lurker
It would seem you spend a lot of time debating with people who disagree with you. Do you have a strong case of SIWOTI? :)
As far as nailing christian’s to their crummy tenets, identify the dodge, and use it to knock the bird-pellets out of their happy religo-wordview hobby horses because then they have to fight the shifting sands of their argumentation. If they cry foul, point them back to the initial discussion and start again.
Eventually, it gets down to statements like: “I want to believe X for no reasons others than the ones I make up”. Sometimes then you can make them see why atheists harp so much on the delusional nature of religion. Or sometimes not, enter the banhammer. :/
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February 20, 2013 at 5:32 pm
another lurker
@the Arbourist
heck no, it’s fun! Pure entertainment value!
This is why I love arguing with anti-choicers. Usually you can back them into a corner, and get them to admit, more or less, that ‘sex is dirty’ and, more precisely ‘female sexuality is dirty’.
Also, it can get kind of dull if you only surround yourself with people who agree with you. Conflict makes it interesting!
As you said, identifying the dodge, and then forcing them to scramble and/or deflect, is just *priceless*.
The biggest problem with the bible, unlike abortion, is that it is so full of contradictions that it’s relatively easy to find anything to support your worldview. And then claim ‘that’s the truth and the only truth.’
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