Anti-Citizen X does a wonderful job of listing some of the ways that shifty christian apologists spin their mendacious web. Arm your self against their rhetorical nonsense with this fine video.
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April 21, 2014 at 7:20 am
john zande
Brilliant. I made notes :)
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April 21, 2014 at 7:43 am
The Arbourist
@JZ
Nice. As I watched the video for the first time I could see rhetorical devices in use in the other threads and heck even on our blogs as we wade through the apologia. It’s nice to have a summary of the fail one has to deal with :)
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April 21, 2014 at 8:09 am
tildeb
I have long maintained that faith-based beliefs are built on a broken epistemology that leads to justifying avoidable credulity, gullibility, and delusion. Exposing why and how the method of imposing faith on reality does not produce knowledge is not targeted at the steadfast believer (who admittedly rejects the possibility of being wrong); it’s targeted at those who already entertain some measure of doubt and can be swayed. The internet is where religions – and other kinds of faith-based belief when open to commentary – come to die because the non converted can be convinced by reasonable exposure to the inherent and fatal problems of faith-based epistemology (how do you know what you say you know?) that then effectively undermines faith-based ontology (god is an omnipotent, omniscient, omni-present benevolent interactive agent in the world we inhabit) and supports doubt to be the reasonable and sane position.
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April 21, 2014 at 8:24 am
The Arbourist
@Tildeb
I agree with you that the internet does have the potential for become the graveyard of much of religious belief. What is problematic though, is like religious though, internet communication can also become quite hermetic and closed to differing ideas and notions.
Consider the vast network of religious blogs that have their own circle of people, they turn inwards and shield their beliefs from the rest of the internet. These closed communities, with their associated brand of thinking (religious, rational or otherwise) can be problematic in the overall move toward promoting free thought.
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April 21, 2014 at 8:27 am
john zande
Hence the notes! :) In fact, it was perfect timing as i have an idiot presently trying to ask if i believe in the laws of logic and “absolute truth”
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April 21, 2014 at 8:35 am
john zande
and i admire and respect how well, and level-headed, you do it, Til.
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April 21, 2014 at 10:54 am
tildeb
Oh, I know… but unlike the video narrator, I don’t try to de-convert by reason (so I don’t have to establish the ground rules or disengage like the narrator suggests); that’s not why I’m commenting on these sites. I try to show why there are reasonable problems to faith-based belief one must take on board to maintain it for those who are otherwise sympathetic to those who think it’s a virtue to be ready, willing, and able to be credulous, gullible, foolish, and quite possibly delusional. As a blog host, I think it’s important to be aware of these common philosophical failures many commentators practice and have a way of responding to them effectively (which this video provides)… not to convince someone who has already rejected any means to challenge the belief to then change but to reveal to the lurkers how faith-based belief doesn’t work to reveal, expose, or explain reality (and what seems to be true about it) as advertised. That’s all I’m saying.
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April 21, 2014 at 10:57 am
tildeb
Thanks, John. Now your work is cut out for you to convince the thousands who don’t agree!
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