I’m flabbergasted.
You won’t have to isolate or quarantine if you test positive for Covid? I think Dr.Hinshaw has finally given in to the political machinations she’s had to fight against during the UCP’s legendary mishandling of the pandemic in Alberta.
No masking required in schools? Or in public transportation?
It is discouraging when your government decides that the best possible policy course is going to be “survival of the fittest”. People who are immune compromised or other vulnerable populations can apparently go fuck themselves.
I won’t be taking part in any of the freshly reopened economy. I will continue to distance and mask for the protection of myself and others.
See you in the 4th wave.
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July 31, 2021 at 5:12 am
silverapplequeen
me too
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July 31, 2021 at 6:00 am
Bob Browning
Masking and falling in line w the “authorities’ changing narratives and the big pharma wishes is exactly the proper virtue signaling designed into the plan. Fear is the tool to get compliance and consent. Case numbers are manipulated using a faulty and inappropriate methods, the death totals in the U.S. were higher in 2018 than 2020, studies around the world show lockdowns are counter productive and all this madness is based on computer projections that have proven to be many multiples excessive. It is amazing how so many ppl now trust the government crooks.
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July 31, 2021 at 7:52 am
Carmen
It’s amazing how many gullible people believe conspiracy shit too, Bob.
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July 31, 2021 at 9:03 am
Infidel753
How’s your vaccination rate in Alberta? Here in the US, the delta variant is almost entirely killing only the unvaccinated, meaning the anti-science conspiracy-nonsense believers who are almost all right-wingnuts. “Survival of the fittest” does have its positive side.
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July 31, 2021 at 9:27 am
tildeb
Hinshaw is a politician operating under the guise of a doctor. Very handy cover for those elected officials responsible for public health policies. She is what we would call a ‘collaborator’.
So, two things:
1) Notice how it’s the number of available ICU beds that matters to such people who make policy and so this is used to justify the public health policies they enact… not the actual medical data that informs the rate or danger or prevalence or spread of a disease that we know for a percentage of the population who do not die or occupy an ICU bed (we simply don’t know yet if these folk will be a single or double digit of those who exhibit significant symptoms because each variant yields differences) but who have survived in exchange for lifelong disabilities… some of which we know do not make their presence known until the heart attack, until the stroke, until the loss of energy or brain fog or tremor or seizure makes ‘normal’ life a thing of the past. That’s why such politicians use death rates and filled ICU beds to justify business-as-usual, utterly ignoring the fact we know the Delta variant is less virulent but far more contagious.
2) Notice that people like Bob don’t realize the real life cost to tens of thousands of people (especially acting on such beliefs) has. He simply believes what he does for various reasons he thinks are good ones so he acts as if the beliefs were true. I have little doubt he and millions like him are oblivious to understanding or appreciating or even caring that this is how new variants are given time and space to arise even though we know better, even though these beliefs and these collaborators who play to such beliefs put the entire incredibly effective vaccination program at risk. His beliefs matter more to him than the health and welfare of everyone else INCLUDING HIM! And his rationalization is that the ‘science’ changes and therefore we can’t trust it! Right there we see what a failure education has been when something so simple as understanding how the scientific method is meant to operate is not understood and then so grossly used to justify ignorance and stupidity in the face of rejecting available knowledge.
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July 31, 2021 at 9:44 am
The Arbourist
@Infidel753
As of July 30th, 65% of Albertans 12+ are now fully vaccinated.
I’m just not happy being a Darwinian agent. I’m fully vaccinated, but can still be an asymptomatic carrier, and might spread the disease to a child or immune compromised individual. They are not anti-vax, just part of vulnerable populations and do not deserve the survival of the fittest treatment.
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July 31, 2021 at 9:51 am
The Arbourist
@Bob browning
New @CDCMMWR
finds Delta variant causes vaccine breakthrough infections. Jurisdictions might consider expanded prevention strategies, including masking in indoor public areas, particularly for large public gatherings that include travelers from many areas. https://bit.ly/MM73021b
I’m gonna have to go with the precautionary principle here Bob, and regard the Delta strain of Covid as strong possibility of a fourth wave. I hope I’m wrong.
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July 31, 2021 at 9:52 am
tildeb
Okay. I wasn’t going to say anything but, come on people. Survival of the fittest in this context is not Darwinian. It is being bandied about here as social Darwinism, (Tennyson’s description of nature as ‘red in tooth and claw’) and then warped by Spencer to be used to justify eugenics.
In fact, ‘fitness’ has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any individual surviving. In Darwinian terms, ‘fitness’ means successful reproduction. Sorry to be so pedantic, but let’s call not getting vaccinated for those able what it really is: colossal stupidity and cost of comforting ignorance.
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July 31, 2021 at 10:13 am
The Arbourist
@ tildeb
Accuracy is important. Thanks for adding some clarity to the discussion.
The vaccine hesitant and anti-vax populations though will suffer for their views; many will die and not be able to reproduce.
I still wouldn’t want to be the cause of someones demise though – stupid or not.
The rampant bungling though of our Premier and by extension Alberta Health Services have caused a great deal of confusion and hesitancy regarding the pandemic, vaccines, and what is and is not safe. The responsibility will be with them as they – in theory – have access to expert medical and scientific opinion and should be straightforward in sharing it with the population of Alberta.
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July 31, 2021 at 1:31 pm
john zande
It looks like we’re all going back to Ground Floor… and starting again.
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July 31, 2021 at 3:05 pm
tildeb
Nah. I don’t think so, John.
Due to the nature of mRNA, Pfizer has already developed a tailored ‘booster’ for Delta (altering the spike protein) and it is already high effective (+90%) against Lambda. Vaccinated people have significantly more resistance against all strains, suffer way fewer complications, and have significantly reduced symptoms if infected. In other words, vaccinated people might still get some strain of SARS-CoV-2 but these infections are about equal to any other typical flu and seem to offer much higher protection/fewer and lesser symptoms against ANY corona virus… even if the stupidity of so many keep this virus churning out variants of concern. To not get vaccinated if able and willingly submit one’s self to the naked risks that come with Covid itself in any form for some ideological reason is remarkable stupidity in action.
It reminds of the joke of Mom with a scar on her shoulder and her kid asking what it is. She says it’s her smallpox vaccination scar and he asks if he can get one. She says no. He asks why. She says ’cause it worked. That is exactly why people need to get vaccinated or suffer the risks. But it would be of such service to those who CANNOT get vaccinated for those who can to do so even if they don’t grasp why. But, of course, understanding this without understanding why getting vaccinated is so important, is highly unlikely.
Also, have you noticed those who claim, “My body, my choice” in response to the push to get vaccinated are the first ones to say when it comes to women’s reproductive rights and euthanasia, “No you don’t!”
I swear, it’s remarkable.
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July 31, 2021 at 7:17 pm
john zande
Ain’t it so.
I hope you’re right about us having it covered. Have read some similar thoughts, but these unvaxed idiots are petri dishes for another mutation, and this one might just be a tad more slippery.
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July 31, 2021 at 9:16 pm
tildeb
Yes, agreed. And it’s not a small problem for many people.
The major problem with VOCs are the efficacy of the protein vaccines – AZ, Covashield, Covaxis, J&J, Sinovac (Synopharm), and Sputnik. Those are the ones I’m aware of that cannot be adjusted except by, well, a new recipe, so to speak. There are probably other kinds, too.
But mRNA vaccines can be adjusted very quickly (I’ve read it takes about 5 days for Pfizer and Moderna to create a different protein spike and about 2-3 weeks to retool the manufacturing of the new ‘booster’. Passing the safety protocols, however, are a major factor of delay: this process once took years and long studies from many countries involving tens of thousands of test cases each of which has to be closely monitored. And just look at the mess Astra Zenica made of this aspect – but now the process for the mRNA vaccines can take only months because so much of the manufacturing and delivery (serum) process is identical to what has been approved from before… another HUGE advantage.)
So for nations that have paid the higher costs of the mRNA vaccines, adjusting for VOC waves isn’t a start-over kind of scenario, whereas for protein based vaccination, it very well could be. Just the loss of efficacy by 20-30% for a new variant of concern translates into a hell of lot of suffering for a lot of people who HAVE been vaccinated already but not with the mRNA ones. I know Pfizer is ramping up for the production of hundreds of millions of booster doses for 2022 and with Moderna it looks like manufacturing could produced billions if needed.
Another problem is for those who have already had Covid and presuming they have immunity from VOCs. This is not the case. And so vaccination becomes even MORE important now than ever before. This is why I suspect once the FDA approves the safety condition (and not the emergency condition originally approval), I would not be surprised if governments begin to mandate vaccination. Until that condition is met, there is no legal basis upon which mandatory vaccination can be ordered (well, in the West, anyway).
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August 1, 2021 at 8:48 am
Carmen
Gee thanks, Tildeb. Makes me feel so secure about my first Astra-Zeneca vaccine. ;)
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August 1, 2021 at 9:14 am
tildeb
I know. Lots of people in the same boat, and so it’s the vulnerability that is getting the press as well as vaccinated people being carriers (remember, breakthrough infections for fully vaxed people were ALWAYS in the vicinity of 1 or 2 in 20 regardless of vax type… hence the continuation of masking to protect more vulnerable people from you until community numbers drop to rare).
So it’s a good news/bad news kind of thing: the good news is that you have tremendous protection against serious symptoms (not least of which is ventilation and even death), the boosters will fill in most of the statistical difference, and there’s some evidence you’re better equipped (as are those who received different vaccines for shots one and two) to deal with any corona virus than those who received only a single kind of mRNA vaccine; the bad news is that in the meantime you’re more vulnerable to getting Delta and other variants that will arise. This increased risk is real.
But the bottom line is that with any double vaccine of any mixture you are WAY more protected than those who have received no vaccine at all, so it’s not like you wasted the effort. Originally, the goal was for a 50% or more vaccine and AZ was way better than that but who knew at the time that we we ended up hitting a home run with the 90+% mRNA vaccines?
So it may turn turn out that you are much better protected in the long run with hosting different kinds of vaccines. It’s too early to tell.
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August 1, 2021 at 9:17 am
tildeb
I saw a good tweet today regarding those anti-vaxers who said they didn’t want to participate in this global medical experiment.
Too funny: the non vaccinated ARE the control group!
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August 1, 2021 at 9:28 am
Carmen
Right now we have around 9 cases (out of a population of just under a million people) in the province. No one in hospital. So as long as I don’t travel I should be ok. We were in New Brunswick last week and everyone was masking, had to sign info when we went in restaurants, etc. Even people we met on the street were masked and actually moved off the sidewalk! (We don’t wear masks outside where there aren’t lots of people). Then – presto – the masks aren’t mandated anymore as of July 30th. I’m thinking there will be many who will continue to wear theirs as a precaution, as we’ve all been asked to do. I’ve certainly become a solid believer in masks/handwashing, especially while travelling.
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