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A helpful guide to assessing if you’re ‘with the program’ or not.  Many thanks to WitWitch for the post.


“How do you know if your argument is feminist? Well, check out the basic core beliefs of feminism. Does your argument support these beliefs?

The value of women is inherent because we are human beings. Males do not assign us our value.

  • women do not lose value based on their appearance
  • women do not lose value based on how much sex we have had
  • women do not lose value based on our marital status or sexual orientation or number of children or ability to give birth or any other male system of objectification and commodification of our bodies
  • women are not “bitches” or “cunts” or “sluts” or “whores” or any other label men come up with to denote that we are subhuman and have decreased in value because of a lack of obedience to them

Women are people. Our bodies exist for us. They do not exist for male consumption. Our bodies deserve respect.

  • women NEVER owe men access to our bodies
  • women NEVER owe men sex
  • we do not exist to provide men with children
  • periods are natural and not offensive
  • our bodies are not inherently shameful
  • we deserve to be educated about our bodies
  • males should not control or own female bodies
  • we do not need to conform our bodies to male imposed beauty standards
  • our natural body hair is not offensive

Women are not naturally ““feminine”“ there is no such thing as a “lady brain” because women are not mentally inferior to men.

  • femininity is a social construct forced on women at birth
  • the idea of what is “feminine” is created by men and imposed on women against our will
  • gender does not come from inside of us, it is not natural
  • we suffer punishment ranging from social consequences to male violence for not conforming to male feminine ideals
  • brain plasticity is a thing
  • socialization exists and is real
  • how you are raised and treated by society affects how you act and behave, your thoughts, ideas, and opinions and actions
  • people are born as a blank slate personality wise, and develop who we are based on our surroundings and how we react to them and the consequences of how we reacted, etc.. Life events are important.

Male is not the default setting for human being.

  • “equality” is giving a fish and a bird the same set of standards

  • women need liberation from male supremacy, not a place within it where we can continue to perpetuate harmful male supremacist values such as “might makes right”

  • the capability of physical violence does not make someone superior to another person, especially in a species whose primary evolutionary advantage is our brains

  • female reality is important and should be weighed with the same consideration and respect given to male reality–femaleness is not a handicap just because our capabilities are different from those of men

  • women should be able to live entirely independent of men

  • women’s capabilities need to be respected, the things women can do well need to be valued, rather than telling women we need to do things that men value

  • the things men can out perform us on (such as sports) do not make men more valuable human beings than women

  • the things men can do are not inherently more valuable than what women can do”


meanatheists  The authors here at DWR have a mean atheistic streak.  There is no denying that.  I mean we have a whole day of postings that deal specifically with religion and the goofiness that ensues when you allow magical thinking into your wheelhouse.  My readership mostly knows that believing in religion is seen by most rational people, a character flaw at best and a reason to make funny and derisive comments at worst.  It is obvious how toxic religion is to critical thinking, progress (social and otherwise) and advancement of the human condition (see the religion/patriarchal ‘love-in’ for instance).

We Atheist types know this.

We have the truth on our side (*grins*), yet it matters not a whit to those firmly cocooned in the oily grasp of religion.  Explaining exactly where their belief system fails and importantly, why it fails, consistently fails to provoke the ‘ah-ha’ moment of realization in many believers.

It would seem that some truths are more inconvenient than others and thus are easily ignored, talked around, and even outright dismissed when arguing.

I know the justification for continuing the pwnage of the religious and their arguments – the lurkers following the arguments might get an opportunity to see a point of view outside their faith and the thin sliver of doubt might creep into their consciousness and the process of embracing living life in this world can begin.  Woo-haa!

We can chalk up another win for Atheism!

But how come it almost never feels like a win in situ?  I’ve spent a great deal of keystrokes arguing with the religious – mostly charitably, sometimes not so charitably, but the local outcome is almost always the same.  Thanks for your opinion and the neat arguments – excuse me while I catch up on my prayers to jebus now.


greenhouseearth  I think there is a bigger problem that religion.  Religion has its moments of putting all of humanity at risk (looking at you nuclear Middle East solutions) but you know what is really killing us?  State supported neo-liberal capitalism and the “fuck you, I’ve got mine” ethic that goes along with it.  This ideology is systematically grinding societies, the climate, and ultimately our future into dust.  Is being the last to draw breath on a ruined planet that much of a privilege?  I mean the elites that run our system our well insulated from the reality that they create for the rest of us, but eventually, they too will have to bow before the forces they have unleashed.

Knowing that elite will also suffocate in the shithole they’ve created is a cold Pyrrhic victory –  it is the only assured outcome if the status-quo remains the same.


Maybe I need to focus on the christians that espouse the prosperity gospel – two birds with one stone and whut not.

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