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    The idea that religion is harmless and that it is good for people, is patently false.

The raging torrent of evil shit that religion is responsible for claims more victims every second we allow magical thinking to be acceptable and “OK” in our society.  It is a double header today, two videos for the price of one post.

Magical thinking kills children.  Belief in god kills children.  Christianity when insulated far enough away from the light of reason, kills children.  Here is one instance, this child died surrounded by adults who were praying to god to restore her to health.  She fracking had diabetes.  Diabetes is a treatable condition with access to medical treatment.

But no.  That is a little too sane.  A little too rational.

The father testified in court that he thought “God would heal his daughter…”

The mother, a good ‘christian’ woman was also convicted and could face up to 25 years for her ignorance along with her husband.  Send them away for 100 years, it does not matter as the damage is already done.  The child is dead because her parents were mired in wilful religious ignorance.   They were living in a foolish bronze age delusion that encourages belief in magic and myth at the expense of the real and the rational.

Our tour de force of religious stupidity limps onward.  First on the agenda the book called “To Train up a Child” by Michael and Debi Pearl(their website has ‘mysteriously gone 404, since their book was instrumental in the death and torture of children, go figure).  This ‘child rearing book’ prescription for the torture and abuse of children is an absolute travesty and prima facie evidence for how religion cloaks itself in morality while advocating the exact opposite.

Want to see evil in action?  Let’s grab a review from Christianbook.com.  (TW for ignorance and sadism)

“I recommend this book to everyone who has children!  (Obviously, because child abuse is not rampant enough, let’s get those numbers going through the roof!  This manual advocates beating your child until they comply.  Not a little ‘swat’ but laying into your child until they are crying and cowering so they know you mean ‘business’.  The second video in this post is about two fine christians who adopted children and then proceeded to beat one of them to death using the tried and true “biblical methods” described in this book.)
We lost the true understanding of discipline, and became so weak minded and selfish that we’ve produced spoiled, winning, uncontrolled “adults.” “Guiding” a child isn’t enough; and you don’t guild a child, you guild an adult. (Ah, so apparently torturing and beatings are will cure behavioural problems straight up.  This gets even more atrocious as this religious fuck-wit cites verse to perversely back up her child abusing ways.)
“The rod is to guide, not hit” is strictly unbiblical.  (Feeling the mercy and compassion of the bible already, I know I am. )

If your a christain the bible clearly instructs us to use the rod, ” Withhold not correction from the child; for if thou BEATEST him with the ROD, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the ROD, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (Prov 23:13-14).” “He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chastenth him betimes (Prov. 13.24).” “The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child let to himself bringeth his mother to shame(Prov. 29:15).” “Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child: but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him (Prov 22:15).” How can you misinterpet that?  (Jesus-fuck, how  indeed could you misinterpret that?  I mean other than using your rationality and moral instincts to identify that the abuse and torture of children is wrong, how could you?)

It’s mind boggling how children act these days.. so unruly, so disrespectful to parents. We need to go back to the old time discipline, (biblical) and STOP listening to people with “degrees.”(Because careful study and observation of behaviour has been a complete write-off.  Yes, let us stop looking to science for answers because the bible knows better, let us get back to beating our kids so they fear us.)
Obviously, how they “think” our child should be raised isn’t working too well. (Back in the real world, the lessons children learn from violence are evident: fear of authority, blind obedience, might makes right.  Definite boons to society no? ) People need to have more children ( you need to have less, you ignorant fool), then they’ll understand. Our children is our future ( Not the ones, trained like yours, to use violence to obtain their goals ).
I am from a family of 9 children. I have 4 children 6years old and under. We read and applied “To Train up a Child” and it worked marvelously ( Violence, coercion and intimidation are always effective in the short term. I’m sure the psychological scarring won’t be too too bad, maybe all of your children won’t turn out to be as abusive as you.) People always commit on how well our children behave! ( As they comment on your ability to write, reflecting your tenious grasp on reality )  They are HAPPY scared shitless and so fun to be around, and we are planning to have more ( Once you get the torture-a-go-go rockn’ you just can’t stop!)!

I will be ordering multi copies because people are always asking where they can get a copy. It’s a short, easy read and straight to the point. (Child abuse is good) This book helps you to understand and apply what the bible teaches. ( how to abuse people and scar them for life, religion the gift that keeps on giving. ) If you want to produce responsible, respectful, obedient, happy, loving children this book is defiently a must!!!” ()
Written by a true believer…  But hey who am I to comment on this?  I am an avowed atheist and perhaps my treatment of this issue has not been charitable.  Lets see this book in action:

They only beat her for 7 hours before she died.

Read that again.  If you’re not feeling a little (or a lot) sick to your stomach by now, you have a problem, because you’re not grasping the enormity of the evil being perpetrated here.  These people, backed by their particular religious nonsense, tortured to death an innocent child.  There is no morality to be found in religion.

I point to QualiaSoup’s assertion on what morality actually is:  “Empathy, Experience, Reason and Knowledge –  When we KNOW better, we can DO better.  It does not get any more straightforward than this.  Religion is a barrier to knowing better and therefore has no place in any rational system of morals.  How many more grievous examples do we need before we can finally say that religion is an (ongoing) atrocity and a putrid stain on humankind that needs to be banished for the good of the species?

The youtube atheist community is being unusually productive and insightful as of late.  DarkMatter2525 take the idea of rejection in relationships and makes a fairly sound analogy to how people view themselves and their belief in god.  Furthermore, he details why atheists get some hate directed their way because of their skepticism and general lack of belief in magic.

Just a handy reference if you needed some more information on how lovely the Catholic Church actually is.

A big thank you to PZ Myers for finding this video on youtube.  Reposted here so the intrepid DWR audience can calmly sit and watch the spectacle of smart and rational people spout silliness and spin in rhetorical circles, all the while,  making up bullshite stories to justify their belief in magic and vainly attempting to maintain some semblance of credibility.  I warn you now, bring your own spade as there is a lot of ‘argument’ to shovel your way through. :)

Speakers in order of appearance (from Why Evolution is True):

  • Professor George Coyne, Astronomer, Vatican Observatory.  Not a relative! Doesn’t believe in most miracles except for the virgin birth and the resurrection.  He’s embarrassed to believe in that stuff as a scientist, but then maintains that he’s “c0nsistent.”
  • Robin Collins, Professor of Philosophy.  Says that evil is part of God’s plan because it’s an inevitable byproduct of God-given free will.
  • Dr Benjamin Carson, Paediatric Neurosurgeon. Doesn’t believe in evolution, and you’ll find his reason hilarious.
  • John Lennox, Oxford Professor of Mathematics. Dawkins presses him hard to pinpoint when in human evolution the primates became “people.” He squirms. And this guy is an Oxford professor!
  • Francis Collins, National Human Genome Research Institute Director. What can I say? He admits that he accepts God-created miracles, but doesn’t say which ones. In a panel discussion, he admits that his faith involves a suspension of rationality, and then says that he’s unwilling to deny the existence of Satan!
  • John Polkinghorne, Cambridge Professor of Mathematical Physics.  ”God is both connected with time and also outside time. That’s puzzling and difficult to work out, but I think it’s absolutely essential.”  He goes on to spew more deepities.
  • JP Moreland, Professor of Philosophy, Biola University. “God is an individual person and angels are finite persons.”
  • William Dembski, Research Professor of Philosophy. I can’t figure out what he’s trying to say about theodicy, but it involves God going back and changing the past to create the Fall, and God giving us vipers to serve as metaphors for the evil in our hearts.
  • Dr Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury. OMG.  Miracles are not suspensions of the laws of nature, but “nature living up to its own depths.” Dawkins is too charitable here, giving the good Archbishop an out by suggesting that he’s using “poetic language.”  I never understand those atheists who see this man as a friend.
  • Dinesh D’Souza, Hoover Research Fellow, Stanford. Claims that God instilled the soul into humans about 5,000 years ago, when all of a sudden there was an efflorescence of culture and the wheel was invented. Says that his faith was affirmed when he stopped letting his brain get in the way.
  • Dr Ravi Zacharias, Renowned Christian Apologist. Tells gay people to “renounce their dispositions for the sake of Christ.”
  • Brian Leftow, Oxford Professor of the Philosophy of the Christian Religion. If you can figure out what he’s trying to say, please enlighten me!
  • Dr William Lane Craig, Renowned Apologist and Philosopher. Laments the futility of human effort in light of the impending heat death of the Earth.
  • Nicholas Saunders, Science and Religion Scholar, Cambridge. Argues that, in quantum mechanics, it could be God who makes probabilistic events actually occur.  You can’t prove it, but he says you can’t disprove it, either.
  • NT Wright, Leading New Testament Scholar. Claims that the existence of males and females is not an accidental genetic quirk, but is the direct result of God’s plan.  And if you think that makes the Bible homophobic, well, you have to stand on some moral high ground.
  • Alvin Plantinga, Notre Dame Professor of Philosophy. For a world to have the Incarnation and atonement, there has to be not just evil, but a lot of it.
  • Alistair McGrath, Oxford Professor of Historical Theology. Dawkins asks him why McGrath claims that God doesn’t intervene in human affairs, but that God does intervene sometimes to save lives.  His answer is perhaps the greatest example of bafflegab in the whole video.
  • Freeman Dyson, Physicist, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton. Says that an electron and atom have “rudimentary consciousness;” implies that quantum mechanics has something to do with human consciousness.  Says his God is part of the universe, evolves with the universe, and has no idea what’s going to happen.
  • RJ Berry, Professor of Genetics, University College London. Explains that we couldn’t be physically descended from Adam and Eve, but we could be spiritually descended from them (whoever they are). In one instant we became Homo divinus.
  • Denys Turner, Yale Professor of Historical Theology. Espouses negative theology, in which “one doesn’t know what you’re talking about.”  He says that that, in fact, is what theology is about.  Sounds pretty much right to me.
  • I’m always a bit flabbergasted when people start making pronouncements about moral issues and backing up their claims with biblical proof.  You may as well be saying that your beliefs are decisively supported by the ham sandwich you had for lunch.  Qualia Soup dissects the inanity and lack of intellectual rigour of theists who claim to have absolute morality on their side.  Unsurprisingly, the theist’s position turns out to be quite immoral when all is said and done.  Colour me shocked.

    It’s funny how when the bible says some really ugly repugnant things the ability to interpret what it ‘actually’ means becomes so darn important.  One would think the word of god was above the musing of mere mortals….

    Texas is one of the special states, they are individualistic, hardworking and have managed to elect one of the most loopy Governors in the world.   Organizing a prayer rally to help the nation.  Err…

    “Gov. Rick Perry called on Jesus to bless and guide the nation’s military and political leaders and “those who cannot see the light in the midst of all the darkness.””

    Rather than attending to policy, you know his JOB, Mr.Perry is calling on the higher power that be to fix things in America through the power of prayer.  I’m thinking they should burn a witch or two, just to set the right tone as to which century their beliefs belong in.

    I’m going to agree with Thunderf00t, a little more time spent doing tangible things in the real world trumps wasting your time praying for the good omens of the magic sky daddy.

    Oh and more on Rick Perry –

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